RE: Rant against anti-atheist agnostics.
September 28, 2014 at 4:01 pm
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2014 at 5:06 pm by fr0d0.)
(September 28, 2014 at 2:57 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Why not redeem yourself by regretting evil done and doing your best to be a good human being? Why does a sacrifice of which only Christianity talks about is needed? Since the sacrifice is done...can't she just believe God would forgive her in his own way IF he exists. Isn't that more reasonable for a human being to do then say he can only forgive if he sacrifices a life for our sins?
If she accepts God's forgiveness but doesn't believe in him, why won't the sacrifice encompass her? The problem for her to accept a sacrifice she would have to believe in a subjective moral view, that sins can only be forgiven through that means, and she would have to accept a religion to go a long with that. Why is she being forced to accept a religion?
If it is as you say, God wants to forgive her and all she has to do is accept forgiveness, why can't God forgive her if she remains Atheist and wants to be forgiven in the chance that God does exist. Why is it necessary for her to accept a religious dogma for her to be forgiven.
God forgives her _as_ an atheist. He's not the one withholding. All she needs to do is accept it.
You seemed to add dogma back into the mix right after I'd dismissed it. I don't rule out the possibility that there are other ways to achieve fulfillment. I think the xtian bible even states that. Don't ask me where tho lol. This way is already mapped out so should be a lot easier.
Everyone should do their best to be a good human being. I believe positivity like that is acting at our maximum potential, without managing the final hurdle. What faith teaches us is that no effort we can make on our own can make us eligible to be without guilt. For that we need to bridge the gap.
(September 28, 2014 at 3:29 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: I think atheists are well aware of our shortcomings, though Fr0d0. Not sure why believing in a deity makes me more willing to take an inventory of my shortcomings/flaws and fix them myself. I respect that if you need a god to help you with this, great. But, if you wrong another person and make amends, believe it or not...that's your choice. Imagining that god brought forth this well of moral fortitude for you to be able to make amends, is really just wishful thinking. But, I digress. haha You are a man of faith. I'm also of the opinion that a higher power may exist, but that is my emotional side speaking, not my logical side. ;=)
Well my emotional side is well in check :p
I'm not talking about this things we could fix ourselves. Maybe some people need help with that, but these are not the disabling flaws I'm on about.
You're probably a nicer person than me. You're a girl right? :p Like the answer Whateverist extracted, you wouldn't be able to tell believers apart on the street. It's a different focus. What motivates us, and our reason behind what we do. The Christian message to me is one of love and increasing peoples quality of life through love. You girls knew all this already right?