RE: Implied BJ on Jesus, atheists support teen.
September 29, 2014 at 11:43 am
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2014 at 11:46 am by Brian37.)
(September 29, 2014 at 11:16 am)Heywood Wrote:(September 28, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Esquilax Wrote: But that's just you throwing up your hands and surrendering, once again you're missing the point. Nobody here is arguing that the community hasn't drawn a line, but rather that the line they've drawn isn't rationally justified, in the best interest of the community, or actually against the law. Just saying "that's the way it is!" is the same thing as saying nothing at all.
Negative Esquilax.
I am not surrendering. I take the position the local governance is the best governance. Its not the topic of this thread so I won't go into why I take that position except to say that positions like yours are elitist. Read what you wrote...you are taking the position that YOU an outsider know what is better for a particular community then the people of the community.
(September 28, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Esquilax Wrote: And do you really think jail time is going to be productive? That's why I'm outraged; two years in prison? I can't imagine what he'll learn to do in there, and at the end of that span the very best case scenario is that the community has now given that kid a widened skill set of criminal behaviors and a chip on his shoulder.
2 years in a juvenile facility is the maximum this kid could receive. I think it quite unlikely that if the kid is prosecuted....he serves any time at all.
(September 28, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Esquilax Wrote: We aren't going to even make a single step toward a perfect world if we just give communities carte blanche to make whatever laws they want, heedless of the constitution. I'm curious, would you be one of those people in favor of segregation laws, way back when, because that's what the community wanted? Is this just your standard position, to bend over backwards for the majority?
I've already argued why I think prosecuting this kid does not violate the constitution. I won't answer your question about segregation laws because it has nothing to do with the topic. Having lost this argument, It is merely an attempt on your part to change the argument to another topic that you think you may have a chance at winning.
(September 29, 2014 at 10:08 am)JesusHChrist Wrote: Communities don't get to set their own "standards" or sensibilities when it involves civil rights. If ever there is a place for the Federal government to stick its nose, it is here.
I'm sure there were many towns in the South in the 60s, who would have preferred to not have black people attending their pristine, all-white colleges as such a thing would violate their sensibilities.
Centuries-old sensibilities...
Again, too bad.
Nothing in the constitution says you have the freedom to temporarily commandeer someone else's private property and use it as a prop in your speech.
(September 29, 2014 at 9:45 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: As if putting your cock on a statute would be 'insjustice'.
Stealing a war memorial plaque to sell the metal for scrap, losing the names of the guys who died in WWI from your local town, that's injustice. A statue of a non existent character getting a guy's dick in his face? If people get offended by that then they need to get over themselves.
What if it was a statue of Rosa Parks and the community was Ferguson? Would it be okay for that community to get offended if this white kid simulated a sex act with a statue of Rosa Parks in Ferguson?
Get this through your thick fucking skull, there is a huge difference between being offended and say Isis and the KKK. Fuck you for comparing the two.
NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE FREE FROM BEING OFFENDED.
Morons like you never take into account that power shifts over time and a future power might not like what you have to say, then turn merely being offended into a blasphemy law. Then you would be fucked and not be able to say what you want.
This guy was not committing property damage nor did he put pictures on FB saying "kill all Christians". They merely got pissed because he made fun of Jebus.
The only free speech limits are are acts of violence or calls for violence. White people during Park's time were not simply saying "I hate blacks" they were using their speech to call for oppression and even acts of murder.
As an atheist living in America surrounded by a right wing who thinks by mere proxy of my existence, I have no right to be a citizen. You allow for blasphemy laws which is what that teen is charged with, that would fuck me over and allow the majority to do even worse to me long term.
I value my right to offend religion, and as such blasphemy laws controlled by them would erode that right.
Your PC crap does not help.
If a believer wanted to burn a copy of Hitchen's "God Is Not Great" as long as they bought it and are not creating a fire hazard I may think they are being assholes, but that is part of living in a free society.