(October 1, 2014 at 1:15 am)Aractus Wrote: Why am I not surprised that you can't give any details in your answer?I can go as deep as you want sport. I generally make my initial offering light and easy to understand because most of you dont respond well to anything you are not specifically looking for. You want to get technical and back everything said let's do that.
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Quote:To this assertion; "Remember writing material was extremely rare and vauable, meaning everyone did not have a 'bible'"; of yours I say: WRONG! Writing material was common, literacy was not anywhere near as high as it is today, writing material was somewhat expensive - however that would not preclude ordinary literate people from making their own notes or their own copies of the scriptures. In fact, by the time of Jesus at least one near complete translation into Greek already existed, and in the 2nd century AD there were at least 5 different complete Greek translations of the Tanakh.Wow, this is awesome. Not your failed facts, but the fact that you provided a list of things you have not researched, which is what you blindly accused me of.
Quote: Today the Bible is widely available in a single volume, easy to use and often small enough to slip into a pocket. We do not realize what an advantage we have in comparison with people of the first century. The normal form of the book then was the scroll; a book with pages, the codex, was used at that time mainly for note taking. It developed to become the normal book form over the next two or three centuries. This means that a Jew who owned a Bible in Jesus’s time would have had an armful of scrolls. Since every copy was made by hand, books were not cheap, although we should not exaggerate their cost; a copy of a lengthy book like Isaiah might take a professional scribe three days or so to make, so the price would be his wages and the cost of the materials. Nevertheless, it is unlikely that many individual Jews would own a complete set of the Scriptures, but according to Luke 4, a small town like Nazareth had a copy of Isaiah in its synagogue, so undoubtedly it held rolls of the Torah and, it is likely, the rest of the Hebrew Bible.http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Millard_Jesus.shtml
Scribes commanded a higher wage than the typical laborer (They were paid by the line, and a typical laborer was paid by the day.)
http://latter-rain.com/ltrain/scribes.htm
In the parable of the workers we have a day's wage set at a denarius
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...rsion=NKJV
and again here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius
So to say writting material was very expensive (scribe included because as you pointed out the literacy rate was very low less than 5%) is a very accurate statement. Especially to the average person which Christ was. This also accounts for the reason that scriptures were generally only found in the temple in smaller towns
Quote:Jesus learned the scriptures, so it is unlikely (but certainly not impossible) that he bothered to copy them in written form.Actually according to Luke 2 @ age 12 he already had a profound understanding of God's word. considering His father's profession at the time He would not have been able to read or write by conventional means.
Here's a question: If He had a profound understanding of "His[/quote] Father's business" at 12, what need would he have to burden himself with the expense and care of 20+ scrolls?
Quote:While it is true that it would take a lot of time and effort to create a complete copy of the Tanakh, it would certainly be possible and was likely more common to make copies of particular sections (eg the "book" or the "scroll" etc) if desired. Most people received the text verbally spoken by Rabbis, however they could read the scrolls if they wanted and whenever they wanted just like you can read from a pew Bible in your church.Not likly. Luke records in Chapter 4 that Jesus had access to Isaiah through the Nazerath's copy of scripture was contained in the synagogue.
Scrolls were not made avaiable all day every day to everyone.
http://www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm