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Abortion/Consciousness/Life

Chas

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life

October 2, 2014 at 1:22 pm

(October 2, 2014 at 1:11 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I don't think that's fair Chas.

Why not? You are willing to dispose of a human life for some ideological reason.
I want to know what other human lives your ideology defines as disposable.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.

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Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by TheGamingAtheist - July 13, 2014 at 7:08 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by ignoramus - July 13, 2014 at 7:50 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 13, 2014 at 7:53 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by TheGamingAtheist - July 13, 2014 at 9:08 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 13, 2014 at 9:13 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by rexbeccarox - July 13, 2014 at 8:51 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by bennyboy - July 13, 2014 at 9:23 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by vorlon13 - July 13, 2014 at 9:38 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Rev. Rye - July 20, 2014 at 10:01 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Natachan - July 13, 2014 at 10:54 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by vorlon13 - July 13, 2014 at 11:00 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by CindysRain - July 13, 2014 at 4:20 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by bennyboy - July 15, 2014 at 8:22 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by The Grand Nudger - July 13, 2014 at 5:26 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Ravenshire - July 13, 2014 at 6:19 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by vorlon13 - July 13, 2014 at 8:58 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Thumpalumpacus - July 13, 2014 at 10:04 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Heywood - July 20, 2014 at 9:51 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Mudhammam - July 20, 2014 at 10:13 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 20, 2014 at 10:18 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Heywood - July 20, 2014 at 11:00 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Esquilax - July 20, 2014 at 11:48 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Heywood - July 20, 2014 at 10:51 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Esquilax - July 21, 2014 at 12:06 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Heywood - July 21, 2014 at 9:48 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Esquilax - July 21, 2014 at 10:33 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Heywood - July 21, 2014 at 10:51 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Jenny A - July 21, 2014 at 11:05 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Bibliofagus - July 21, 2014 at 11:17 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Heywood - July 23, 2014 at 10:17 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Baqal - July 23, 2014 at 10:24 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Heywood - July 23, 2014 at 10:41 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Bibliofagus - July 23, 2014 at 1:38 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Esquilax - July 24, 2014 at 3:09 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Heywood - September 22, 2014 at 10:52 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Jenny A - July 23, 2014 at 1:16 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Heywood - July 24, 2014 at 9:32 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Jenny A - July 24, 2014 at 11:46 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Bibliofagus - July 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Esquilax - July 21, 2014 at 11:35 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Bibliofagus - July 21, 2014 at 10:45 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Mister Agenda - July 24, 2014 at 12:07 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by vorlon13 - July 20, 2014 at 11:15 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Anomalocaris - July 20, 2014 at 11:24 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - July 20, 2014 at 11:53 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 20, 2014 at 2:32 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - July 20, 2014 at 3:18 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Esquilax - July 20, 2014 at 3:23 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 20, 2014 at 3:25 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Esquilax - July 20, 2014 at 3:31 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 20, 2014 at 3:36 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 2, 2014 at 6:54 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - October 2, 2014 at 8:53 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by FatAndFaithless - October 2, 2014 at 9:00 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 2, 2014 at 11:31 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by FatAndFaithless - October 2, 2014 at 11:52 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 2, 2014 at 12:49 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - October 2, 2014 at 1:38 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by FatAndFaithless - October 2, 2014 at 1:40 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 2, 2014 at 1:52 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by FatAndFaithless - October 2, 2014 at 1:58 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 2, 2014 at 2:19 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by rexbeccarox - October 2, 2014 at 1:59 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 2, 2014 at 2:16 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by rexbeccarox - October 2, 2014 at 2:17 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 2, 2014 at 2:21 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by rexbeccarox - October 2, 2014 at 2:38 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - October 2, 2014 at 3:59 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 2, 2014 at 7:02 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - October 2, 2014 at 8:56 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 3, 2014 at 3:01 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - October 3, 2014 at 3:14 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 4, 2014 at 12:59 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - October 4, 2014 at 1:33 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 4, 2014 at 10:01 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - October 4, 2014 at 10:17 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 4, 2014 at 10:27 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Whateverist - October 4, 2014 at 2:30 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - October 4, 2014 at 2:39 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by ShaMan - October 4, 2014 at 5:04 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - July 20, 2014 at 3:29 pm

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2014 at 3:54 pm

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by LastPoet - July 20, 2014 at 5:29 pm

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 20, 2014 at 5:23 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - July 20, 2014 at 5:28 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 20, 2014 at 5:31 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - July 20, 2014 at 5:39 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2014 at 5:31 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 20, 2014 at 5:35 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2014 at 5:34 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by The Grand Nudger - July 20, 2014 at 5:37 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 20, 2014 at 5:40 pm

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - July 21, 2014 at 7:57 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by vorlon13 - July 21, 2014 at 10:35 am

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Bibliofagus - July 21, 2014 at 11:56 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - July 21, 2014 at 12:33 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by theheretic - July 23, 2014 at 10:04 pm

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by LivingNumbers - August 11, 2014 at 5:16 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by answer-is-42 - August 24, 2014 at 11:43 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - August 25, 2014 at 12:29 am

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Dystopia - August 25, 2014 at 2:20 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by bennyboy - August 25, 2014 at 3:52 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - August 25, 2014 at 2:48 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by answer-is-42 - September 4, 2014 at 12:25 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2014 at 12:33 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by answer-is-42 - September 4, 2014 at 12:53 am

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by answer-is-42 - September 4, 2014 at 2:10 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2014 at 2:17 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2014 at 5:32 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by answer-is-42 - September 18, 2014 at 12:34 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - September 18, 2014 at 1:02 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by fr0d0 - September 18, 2014 at 6:40 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by TheGamingAtheist - September 20, 2014 at 10:56 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Elskidor - October 2, 2014 at 1:46 pm

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by The Grand Nudger - September 23, 2014 at 9:48 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Heywood - September 26, 2014 at 12:09 pm

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by The Grand Nudger - October 1, 2014 at 6:36 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by *Deidre* - October 1, 2014 at 8:38 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by FatAndFaithless - October 2, 2014 at 12:52 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 2, 2014 at 12:55 pm

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Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Bibliofagus - October 2, 2014 at 2:52 pm

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 4, 2014 at 11:03 am

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Losty - October 4, 2014 at 12:42 pm

RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 4, 2014 at 2:43 pm

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RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life - by Chas - October 4, 2014 at 3:31 pm

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