Abortion/Consciousness/Life

[Chas]

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I'm not actually arguing about late-term abortion, per se. I know that they are not common and are generally medically indicated.

I am trying to find a rational, humane, ethical basis for abortion law.
The facts are:
When a baby is born, that baby is legally a person.
Before that, there is a point where the fetus is viable. It is difficult to argue that that is not a person.
Somewhat earlier, there is a point where the fetus has a complete nervous system and brain. That fetus can feel/experience pain.
Earlier than that, it is difficult to say that the fetus is a person.

We can make the boundary for personhood anywhere from conception to birth. Let's choose a rational, humane, ethical one.

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Except it isn't involuntary. Not at 7+ months.

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Or, Chas, how about it's none of your business? My womb is mine. Not something society has any right to even talk about, let alone decide what happens to it. "We" don't get to decide boundaries for my uterus or anyone else's.

Then you are OK with aborting an 8 month, 30 day old fetus, right?

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I'm sure it matters to her.
But that is not relevant to what we as a society determine are the boundaries of human life and the balance of rights.

And that's the thing really. How do we discuss any of these things as a society? Or as just being you and me? Is it okay to incorporate the cultural reality women live in in any way?

We discuss them as we are now. And of course we have to take reality into account.