RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life
October 2, 2014 at 7:02 pm
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2014 at 7:03 pm by Chas.)
(October 2, 2014 at 3:59 pm)Losty Wrote:(October 2, 2014 at 1:52 pm)Chas Wrote: I'm not actually arguing about late-term abortion, per se. I know that they are not common and are generally medically indicated.
I am trying to find a rational, humane, ethical basis for abortion law.
The facts are:
When a baby is born, that baby is legally a person.
Before that, there is a point where the fetus is viable. It is difficult to argue that that is not a person.
Somewhat earlier, there is a point where the fetus has a complete nervous system and brain. That fetus can feel/experience pain.
Earlier than that, it is difficult to say that the fetus is a person.
We can make the boundary for personhood anywhere from conception to birth. Let's choose a rational, humane, ethical one.
You said you're not arguing late term abortion and then proceeded to argue late term abortion? There is no point in outlawing late term abortion. It's about as relevant as Florida's ban on sex with a porcupine on the beach. Just a waste of time and resources. Just a talking point to stop people from considering real issues that are actually important.
I think having no limit in abortion at all is the most rational, ethical, and humane option. You can't enforce a late term ban on abortions without endangering the lives of women who may need an abortion in an emergency situation. The whole argument is pointless there's no need for a boundary. No one wants to have a late term abortion. People usually do it for emergencies or because they needed time to save up money.
I don't think you read my whole post.
It is an inductive argument. At what point is the fetus a person?
This sets the time beyond which it is no longer a simple matter of a woman's choice.
This is a pro-choice argument.
(October 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm)ShaMan Wrote: What is most needed regarding the issue of abortion is a shift in consciousness.
From what, to what?
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
Science is not a subject, but a method.