RE: Conclusive proof of God
October 4, 2014 at 3:33 am
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2014 at 3:42 am by satsujin.)
(October 4, 2014 at 3:18 am)Surgenator Wrote: If she can't proof to me she exist, then there is no way she is God. You can prove to me that you exist. You can prove to the world that you exist. Are you saying God is incapable of doing what you can do, a mere mortal?
I can prove I exist. So can God without doubt simply by manifesting. But how to prove she is God? We are defined by our actions so God would have to enact something amazing and supernatural is my guess. But would this mean doing something infinite in a finite world? That's logically impossible.
In retrospect, the main problem with this issue is that everyone has their own concept of God. So, there can be no all-encompassing proof. Maybe asking this question was a bad idea but I'd still like some input.
And Surgenator you still haven't claimed what form that proof would take....
(October 4, 2014 at 3:28 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: 6. My guess is that a definite proof such as this would cause the fanatical believer to lash out against the skeptics for their disbelief. Proof of God is like tug-of-war where neither side has definite proof so cannot pull the other over to his side. Would God be willing to be responsible for such activity? Ofcourse, I suppose he could use his omnipotence to protect those at risk.
- Disbelief is not a "side", it is a neutral position, so think of the skeptics as the audience of your tug-of-war, and the involved parties will be the different groups of religious followers, as it is they who actually hold the belief.
Aoi for most of my points you simply reiterated them, not added anything new. I will respond to 6 however.
Disbelief is not necessarily a neutral position. Agnosticism is when they say they dont know but many skeptics claim they KNOW god does not exist because of the demonstrable validity of science. They do not know, they simply believe in non-existence of god which cannot be proved/disproved. This is the group i referred to in tug of war.
(October 4, 2014 at 3:24 am)Luckie Wrote: For me, god claimant would have to show me history being reversed. Otherwise even if it was god, it would have no respect from me.
I do not know what you mean by reversal of history. Change in history books? Travel back in time?