RE: Conclusive proof of God
October 4, 2014 at 7:02 am
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2014 at 7:10 am by satsujin.)
(October 4, 2014 at 6:36 am)Esquilax Wrote: Why should you match my standards? Because they aren't that high, and should probably be the minimum for any claim. Like I said, you can prove god exists to me in the same manner as you would prove that a pack of playing cards exist; I doubt that you'd think that is anything other than trivial. God is a much larger claim, why should we expect less evidence than that which would demonstrate the existence of a deck of cards?
Additionally, given the question you started this thread with... aren't you trying to determine what would prove it to me?
Esquilax, you seem to be mistaken about my intentions here. I am not trying to prove God to you. I have my reasons based on a spiritual experience which you didnt share so I can understand you wont accept. And thats fine by me. People should be free to believe what they choose. But I doubt the same criteria as a pack of cards would match your criteria for God. I could prove cards by showing them to you and saying these are cards. I doubt you'd fall for the same if I showed you a person and said this is god. The being would have to present some supernatural ability.
What I am trying to determine is what this would be and if it would match for all beings on Earth because there would be no point in proving to a few individuals....god must prove himself universally.
Seems to me, the key thing here is proving the supernatural. Be it Santa Claus or God. If it lies in the realm of the supernatural won't it lie in a realm untestable by science and therefore never proven? What would breaking some natural law prove? and to how many? What form would this proof(s) take? Maybe there is one, maybe there isn't. I don't know but would like to find out. So far, no one has stated what would match for them. Only gone on to say that God has not been proven. Fine. Agreed. What would change your mind?
