Abortion/Consciousness/Life

[Chas]

That seems a rather, um, ill-conceived position.

I am not saying my definition of person is correct, I am saying there already is a legal presumption of the meaning of person.

How does "bodily autonomy" make murder legal?

Our most basic right is a right to life. All other rights are contingent upon that one.

Chas, let's say you wake up tomorrow and find yourself hooked up to some lady. You are involuntarily taking her nutrients to fuel yourself. She can either endure hours possibly even days of excruciating pain and low risk of death to unhook you, in which case you have a good chance of living but not guaranteed. Her body will never be the same, and she will be legally responsible for you unless and until she gives you up for "adoption".
I say she has a right to shoot you in the head in self defense.
I don't think she should and I don't like the idea, but I think it should be her choice.

That is a silly scenario not even in the same reality as pregnancy.

Women don't wake up to find themselves 7 months pregnant.

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From what, to what?

From our consideration that we are the arbiters or all that is 'just' and 'right' and 'moral', to the complete release of all of those constructed 'ideas'. If we can accomplish that, abortion will no longer be an 'issue'.

And that bears no relation to my argument.

Thanks for playing.