(June 27, 2010 at 8:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: Scott Richens I'll give you this you are clever in the way you twist the words of someone who doesn't agree with you.
Yes God has a divine plan and it requires no action on your part to be included in that plan you do not have to decide anything your birth was sufficient for you to be part of the plan. It is God's will that you would choose the plan of salvation (divine plan) but it's your choice outside of Gods will. Understand so far. Just as parents make plans for their children and have desires for their futures the childern are free to choose the life they want outside of the parents desires it's the way God works with mankind. Now God's ultimate will can not be changed and letting history run its course no matter how much evil or good history will contain is part of God's ultimate will.Yes there are things in history that would be against God's ultimate will and He has stopped them such as Hitler and Stalin trying to destroy the nation of Israel. Your choices,my choices, Min's choice, Purple Rabbits choices, everyones choices has some effect on history and because Gods divine plan includes freewill history is not set in stone. Just because God can see down through the pages of history doesn't mean He has every minute of history planned out what it does mean is that God knows how history is going to play out. So you see it's important (at least for believers) to read and study the Bible so that we can understand what is and what isn't God's ultimate will so we can know how to pray about things God will and will not allow to happen.
Those who choose God's salvation have no desire to be completely independent of God's will for their lives and the only way a christain is going to know His will for their life is through scripture and for Him to reveal His intent for our lives. I'm not making up anything and if you believe I am then go to the Bible read and study it for your self. Finally just because you do not believe in the claim that the God of the Bible is real doesn't make my argument nonsensical who are you to judge my beliefs you do not know anything about God and can not because you do not believe in the claim He's real.
Super Starr my reply to you is the same as Scott Richens so read my reply to him.
I sort of laughed when you mentioned "study and read the bible", because studying a book filled with 2000 year-old knowledge won't help ANYONE now in the present. You obviously don't understand what the bible was written for, even if you are a Christian. It was written as knowledge that could be understood back then, because obviously people weren't talking about atoms, molecules, evolution, and all of that stuff that we are understanding now. Everyone back then was talking about God's, and angels and these spirits doing things to create Earth and all of its contents, and for some reason, extremists (like you) "think" that it wasn't just a 2000 year old guess (that wasn't right in the first place), but somehow is reality. But now, we have Science to clear that up, because Science is the study of the natural world, not like how religion says it. In reality, a plan from God according to your bible isn't consistant since of other references to a "plan" that say something different, like 139:16 which causes controversy. And a belief in God or knowing that there's no God has nothing to do whether someone understands something in the bible or doesn't. It's what it says that makes it unreal.
