Abortion not allowed

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Yea actually I would prefer it if you responded with nuh uh because it is better than swearing at me and calling me a monster, but to be honest no one has provide factual information all you are doing is questioning me.

I didn't swear at you or call you a monster, so I'm sort of at a loss why you would point that out to me in place of acknowledging or responding to the things I did tell you. You're remarkably evasive, given how strongly you seem to hold to your position.

As to factual information, to start with you're the one presenting this position that abortion is murder, so you have the burden of proof for establishing that, a burden that you've been fleeing from at top speed ever since page one. Just because we won't take your random, repeated claim as true on face value doesn't mean we need to refute it; you need to demonstrate it.

As it happens though, many of us have tried to refute it, and it's a trivially easy position to refute. A fetus has no nervous system or brain, they aren't alive in any sense that one could kill it as we understand the term, and this has been pointed out to you. You response is that a fetus becomes a living person later, and so therefore it is now, which is not only totally nonsensical (lots of things can become other things later, does that make them all the things they could potentially come right now? ) but also inconsistently enforced. If a fetus is a person because it becomes a person later, then why isn't a sperm also a person? Why isn't a person multiple people because later on they'll produce sperm which becomes another person? Both of those things fit what your definition, and yet I doubt you're clamoring to call masturbation genocide, right?

And if not, what is your justification for stopping this "it'll be a person later, therefore it is a person now!" line of reasoning at the zygote, but not the sperm or the father in potentia?

See, Carm? That is an argument. I didn't just say "I don't believe it is murder" and stop there, now did I?

I know that rapes lead to pregnancy but only 5% of them do.

I know a person who became pregnant via rape, and I must say that I find your glib, reductive attitude towards them immensely distasteful and offensive. It's disgusting.