(October 13, 2014 at 6:04 pm)genkaus Wrote:(October 13, 2014 at 5:46 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Buddhism hardly comes cheap. It takes years and years of meditation to reach higher states of consciousness within that paradigm. And even then might not achieve enlightenment in this lifetime.
Give us an example of a secular version of the Holy Spirit that you think even closely matches the types of experiences about which Drich and I are talking.
We are not talking about the getting holy spirit. Where did you get that idea?
Here's a quick recap:
Drich: What is the benfit of having God in your day to day life?
The stock answer is found in gal 5:22-23. That is the qualities of "love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. "
Me: You get these qualities cheaper in Buddhism. And most brands of atheism
The stock answers are that of spiritual fruit. Spiritual fruit are the evidences of the Holy Spirit, hence stock answers. Meaning this in level one. Even in level one let's say the most anyone can do (love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. ") Is on a scale from one to ten.
Let's say your faithful to God and give Him all that you can of those qualities. When you are blessed with level one Holy Spirit you capsity has just increases to 15. And so on it goes. The more you are faithful to the spiritual fruit you have the more you will be given till you manifest a spiritual gift. Be faithful to your spiritual gift and you will receive another one, till you reach your capasity.
So again the well of love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Has the potential to be as deep as God Himself is.