To explain knowledge of God

[Tonus]

What are you talking about?!?!?
Ask
Seek
Knock
If you do you will get the Holy Spirit.

How is that complicated or vague?

I am agreeing that it is simple, and not complicated. I think it's vague because there is little to no detail on what A/S/King entails specifically.

How Do You Still Not
Understand?!?!

There is an element missing in your sumation. It is seeking
We must Ask SEEK and Knock/persist!

I understand that, but I think you misunderstand my point. Jesus says "ask, seek, and knock" and provides very little additional detail, except to explain that they must ask in prayer and persist in... knocking. He gives no further examples or details into what asking, seeking, or knocking entails. Simple, but vague. We can attach any specifics or meaning to the terms, and we can also disqualify someone else's efforts because our understanding of what is involved is different.

No But one Must do all three and not two out of three!!! If you do two out of three you could be doing that for thr rest of your life.

That's pretty cruel on god's part, isn't it? If a person is sincere but misses a step, god leaves him to his own devices.

Paul/Saul did Everything He possibly could per the avaiablity of scripture and given his exposure to the truth. Even in Killing Christians Saul was in prayer, He was Seeking God's will and he had devoted his life to the persecution of the church.

So... the way that we ask/seek/knock is less important than just doing it and being sincere, yes? This seems to be what you are saying. Actions (outside of those actions that encompass A/S/K itself) are less important than motive?

The problem with most of you is when this happens or does not happen on your terms Pride demand you declare there is no God, if God does not work the way you understand or say God has to work.

I think you are presuming a bit much. That I was open to changing my beliefs should be pretty obvious, since I went from a devout believer in god to becoming an atheist, again with no other impetus than seeking to strengthen my belief. I am not sure how much more open-minded a person can get.

I can pray that you do if you like.

Pray for god to make April Hunter my next-door neighbor and we'll call it even!

I did a thread of this once before. If your 'beliefs' do not relfect the God of the bible not what he has put together for us then what would make you think He would support your broken understanding of Him? If He supported your Broken understanding then He would only have verified the mistakes in theology you have. Sending you further away from who He actually is and closer to who you think God to be.

But you explained that god changed Paul's life, and I would say that Paul's understanding of god was certainly broken, if he thought that persecuting Christians was the right thing to do. If I was sincere and was serving god with devotion, my mistaken beliefs or misunderstanding of god should not have been an impediment to receiving his gifts. On the contrary, my sincerity and obvious willingness to accept new teaching should have made me a prime candidate.

I have literally found something, and He has transormed my life. What I have found is completely contary to everything I knew and everything I thought I ever knew of God, Heaven Hell, All of it. That's how I know it is not me who is comming up with this stuff. I find out a truth that I think is wrong per my understanding of religion, but find it to be biblically supported. So rather than stick with my religious views I follow the truth. Over time this has built into a unstopable without doubt system of belief.

I have no doubt that you are devout and convinced in your beliefs. My point is not that you should be convinced by my experiences or understanding. I am just explaining why your explanations do not convince me that your beliefs are the truth. Since I am not a theist anymore, I do not have an obligation to convert anyone; I come here to read about what others believe and why/how they justify it.