RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 1:48 pm
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2014 at 1:49 pm by Drich.)
(October 17, 2014 at 12:14 pm)Chas Wrote:(October 17, 2014 at 11:31 am)Drich Wrote: Oh F/F you say the darnest things.
Would you expect the President of the United States come to your house and personally ask for your vote?
Except the President actually does that. Just not every house.
(October 17, 2014 at 8:40 am)Drich Wrote: He did not fail MY promise test.. MY promise test has one adhearing to his end of what is recorded in the bible. to date no one who says they sought God has actually followed the steps as outlined in luke 11.
There's your circular reasoning again - you assume it to be true to prove it is true; it is begging the question.
And telling people that it didn't work because they didn't do it right is a No True Scotsman fallacy.
If your going to use logical fallacies then look them up first, so you know whether or not you are using them correctly..
No true scots man is only a no true scots man if the subject or claim is a universal one. Meaning if thier are no rules governing who is or isn't a 'scotman' concerning a given subject or variable.
"it is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
The reason 'no true scots' man does not apply here is because there are indeed rules governing who is and who is not Christian. In this specific circumatance those who A/S/K as outlined by luke 11 and those who do not.
(October 17, 2014 at 1:11 pm)rasetsu Wrote:(October 17, 2014 at 12:34 pm)Drich Wrote: I did a thread of this once before. If your 'beliefs' do not relfect the God of the bible not what he has put together for us then what would make you think He would support your broken understanding of Him? If He supported your Broken understanding then He would only have verified the mistakes in theology you have. Sending you further away from who He actually is and closer to who you think God to be.
I am not picking on any one church, but if you look at Christianity as a whole there is one 'main stream group' who has played this senerio out. They have a series of head preists who get to rewrite the bible in their various decrees. now if you take the bible and read it and compare it to this particular religion' core beliefs you will find that some of their core doctrines are not only not in the bible what is in the bible flat our goes against what they say do. Now imagine if God supported them with miricals and all the trim and lace most of you look for (signs and wonders) This would only throw gasoline on the fire and they would freighttrain themselves away from God.
As it is God does not support those who do not know Him as He does for those who do. If you are not being supported, it does not mean God does not exist. It means your specific version of God does not exist. That is why we are told to KNOCK/Persist. Because depending on how hard we want to hold on to our personal version of God will determine on how long we will be knocking.
I don't remember this in Luke 11. Where did you get this from?
what made you think this was a quote from luke 11?
(October 17, 2014 at 1:10 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Why must we "Ask Seek and Knock"? Why must we do anything at all?
Because God said we must.