RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 17, 2014 at 3:35 pm
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2014 at 3:37 pm by Simon Moon.)
(October 17, 2014 at 3:03 pm)Drich Wrote: Drich: If you A/S/K as per Luke 11 you will receive a measure of the Holy Spirit. Meaing you will be given a peice of God to help you establish and maintain a relationship.
How do you know many atheists did not try this when they/we were believers?
Quote:Anyone else: We Asked, and sought, or we ask and knocked or I sought and asked once.... and did not receive anything therefore God can not be real because the universe spins around me, and if there is a God then he better damn well meet me on my terms who does he think he is...
This is exactly what I was talking about when I said A/S/k is unfalsifiable. "If it failed, you must have left a step out". Or, "you only tried once". You have an answer ready for anyone that says the tried and got no response.
You are assuming that one of the three A/S/K steps was left out of our attempts?
For arguments sake lets say, we did leave a step out, but in all other ways were sincere. Wouldn't a god that wanted to have this relationship with us understand our sincerity and wish to have a relationship with him and give us a 'measure of the holy spirit' anyway?
What kind of petty deity would think, "that guy really wants to have have a relationship with me, his sincerity is 100%. Oh, but he left out a step. He goes to hell. Too bad really, because he was so close".
"Or maybe it was unfair of me to have him born and raised in a Hindu country. He didn't even make an attempt to A/S/K. Oh well, he goes to hell".
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
