(October 18, 2014 at 2:41 pm)genkaus Wrote:(October 18, 2014 at 12:31 am)Vivalarevolution Wrote: We believe that it just narrates through mythology and real events how man came to understand god and how mankinds behaviour evolved. First the behavior was perfect, then it degraded to a level where telling humans the importance of loving your neighbour just wasn't understandable. (This was before Romans gathered to see lions eat prisoners)
In a world where Child sacrifice and the likes were prevalent, man had no sense to treat everyone with respect. The world was barbaric, and to keep a country (Israel) pure and alive till the messiah arrived, it was necessary for rules to be set up so that they wouldn't do anything wrong.
When the world's morality improved and people were able to understand Jesus' teachings of love and compassion (still note that this was while Romans gathered to see lions eat prisoners) god sent Jesus to explain it all to them.
This is one of the problems with Christianity - in order to believe your fantasies, you have to create and believe in fictional history. What the evidence actually indicates is that human moral behavior was far from perfect but has been steadily improving over the ages with a few setbacks. Things like value of human life and loving your fellow man were understood and practiced long before your Jesus came along. And the tribe of Israel was hardly "pure", given the actions attributed to them.
There are moral philosophies teaching love and compassion that do it better than Jesus that are older than him - so the story that the world was in a state of moral depravity and Jesus came to improve that is a lie. The world was nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be and Jesus didn't improve it much.
I hate the word "philosophy". Science has proven that our morality is evolutionary, we see the same acts of cruelty and compassion in other primates and mammals as well as other species.
I prefer "moral motifs" and all religions are peppered with statements of compassion and kindness, but you can also find those motifs in fiction as well. If everyone can accept the other outside their own label can be good and do good, then the reality is that is is HUMANS doing that, not a myth club or a fictional god.
Mind everyone reading this though, having said "You don't need religion to be moral" does not make atheists automatically moral either, we are all still the same species. Atheists need to accept that as well.