(October 18, 2014 at 8:51 am)professor Wrote: God did not say to the devil to kill his kids.In other words, the only thing that god forbid the devil from, was killing Job. Everything else was on the table. Did god not know that Satan would visit a bloodbath upon Job's children and servants? Considering that he had thousands of livestock, he must have had dozens of servants, and only one of those was left alive by the marauders sent by the devil.
God did say- he is in your hand only spare his life.
Only Job's wife is spared, so that she may experience the double-indignity of being used by Satan to test Job's faith, and then have the dubious pleasure of bearing another ten children after losing the first ten that she had birthed. I think that she may have had it worse than Job, but she's just a woman... a prop.
professor Wrote:The experience of Job illustrates why the devil is a fear monger.But that's pretty obvious to the Christian; the devil is the wrench in the works, the guy trying to lead everyone astray. The question is-- why is god his chief enabler?
When Satan went up to god and complained that god had blessed Job and protected him, god should have replied "well yeah, he's upright and blameless. That's the kind of thing that I reward. Now get out of my sight and keep counting the days until you get YOUR reward." At this point the devil would've slunk out the back entrance and we'd think that maybe god was getting close to figuring this stuff out. But no, he agrees to let his worst enemy play with his best and brightest pupil.
And as I pointed out before, Job has the reasonable belief that Yahweh, being a good and merciful god, will eventually explain to him why he and his family and servants were put through the wringer. Instead, god makes pretty clear that no one gets to question him because he can lay an even sicker ass-beating on you than the devil could even dream. Job is finally cured of his ailments, and made richer than he was before, and is given ten beautiful new children... and he gets to spend the rest of his days knowing that all it takes is a quick conversation in heaven for god to take it all away again and turn his life into a nightmare.
That's your god. I'm betting that you have faith that he won't ever treat you like that. But Job probably felt the same way. Or he would've, if he or Yahweh had been real characters.
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