RE: Are men more likely to be outliers?
October 20, 2014 at 10:21 pm
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2014 at 10:40 pm by Jenny A.)
(October 20, 2014 at 9:37 pm)TheGulegon Wrote:
Were there ever any "Mountain Women"? A female version of Jeremiah Jonson!
Ya know! Grizzly Adams meets Foxy Francine
No. But there were a surprising number of single female homesteaders. Women also fought in the Civil War. Mostly, we know about them because their sex was discovered once they became casualties.
(October 20, 2014 at 10:16 pm)Heywood Wrote:(October 20, 2014 at 1:45 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I also hope this doesn't sound sexist, as I am certainly not. But I believe we should understand the differences between genders and peoples, AND afford everyone equal opportunity.
Today, women enrolled in college out number men....and they are getting better grades. This is a recent change.
In about 40 years this country will be run by women. The fact that you see more men in prominent positions today is merely an after effect of a bygone era. You are observing the slowing momentum of yesterday's culture.
I doubt it. We are a greater percentage in college these days, but still clustered in the humanities department. I have a fifteen year old girl who is science oriented and bright. She's already making the techie colleges drool because there aren't so many of her.
And we are much more likely to take years off for child raising. That's what I did. Not every woman does, but many more of us than men do.
(October 20, 2014 at 9:39 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:(October 20, 2014 at 8:50 pm)Jenny A Wrote: It's also how people react to male and female aggression:There is a point I would like to throw in there. Negotiating is traditionally a skill taught from father to son. Now I read the article, but I am a bit skeptical of how she paints the study as she doesn't cite and deals in absolutes. Now getting to my point negotiation is a skill, more often taught to men then women and becoming less taught all together. I actually think it's wrong to make a emotional judgement based on someones gender, and fucking moronic to treat them differently in negotiations on that fact.
I am keenly aware that women who negotiate are often seen negatively in a way men are not.
I agree it's moronic to treat the same actions differently, but it isn't actually different treatment in negotiation, but afterwards because of the negotiations that McArdle was discussing. I did see a real difference. However, I'm sure you are also right that there may be some difference in negotiation style.
(October 20, 2014 at 9:39 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Men who raise their voices are respected? Generally I call them assholes, and think the same of women who do it.
I'm with you here as to what deserves respect. But I was in an office in which one partner threw his phone at the window in the middle of yelling at opposing council. Awe and a sort of respect was the result. A female of counsel yelled at opposing counsel on the phone the same day with rather more justification and the office comment was PMS.
(October 20, 2014 at 9:39 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: As for the bit about women who lay people off being veiwed as worse, that is probably true, as I have had way more jobs then someone my age should've had and I can honestly say that from personal experience, 2 of the 3 worst managers I've had were women. On the surface that seems sexist, but delve deeper and look the behaviour of them and it has nothing to do with gender in my case. I can more into more detail if you ask, but I want to cut it short for brevity's sake.
Without the details I can make nothing of that except that I prefer to work for men. I typically know where I am with a man. With a woman I can get blindsided. If I guy doesn't like what I'm doing I typically know. With a women, I find out too late.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.