To explain knowledge of God

[Drich]

sorry this thread has gotten away from me.

Copy pasta from previous page:

Drich says A/S/K,

Because A/S/K is short for Ask, Seek and Knock, for the Holy Spirit. This principle is taught in Luke 11. For anyone who asks it will be given, anyone who seeks they will find anyone who Knocks the door will be open unto them.

but the bible says seek and ye shall find. Lets just assume ONE of us, at least, knocked correctly, repeatedly, with all the prerequisites Drich has outlined as the 'correct method'. Does he just not have an answer for those people, as to why they sought and did not find?

Just because you asked and received or sought and found, it does not mean you will be able to do anything with what you have been given or found.

Drrrrichh, can you explain?

Soiently
It's like finding a 100 million tons of burried treasure on a deserted island. Great you found lots of treasure, but now what will you do with it? if your stuck on the island. It is in the knocking that the Holy Spirit will come and plug in your new gifts.
Or rather help you move your treasure off the island and back into your everyday life.

The bible says seek ye first the kingdom of god and his righteousness and you will find it, knock and the door shall be opened unto you, hallelu halleluiahhh.

thats not how the song goes.


It goes like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0ltm6CZlQE

It doesn't say, 'knock over and over and maybe god will open it for you if you did it right.'

9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

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Drich, my method is the one actually stated in the Book of Mormon. What's wrong with it?

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You too Professor. How does ASK differ from Mornoni's asking with a sincere heart? Because looking at this from the outside, I don't see a difference.

nothing if your looking to be mormon

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Drich: If you A/S/K as per Luke 11 you will receive a measure of the Holy Spirit. Meaing you will be given a peice of God to help you establish and maintain a relationship.

How do you know many atheists did not try this when they/we were believers?

because of the knocking part. It does not have a time limit on it. if the atheist are not still knocking then they did not follow the out line in luke 11.

It is my firm belief that when you ask God for proof or a relationship and your in a toxic faith, apart of what you ask for is sheding your toxic faith. Many of you identify this is disbelief or atheism. So in essence Atheism is apart of what you asked for, only knocking will bring you back to God on the other side. God makes you tear down the house you have built with the trials of life and has you rebuild on a foundation of Christ. Most of you ask for the demo and rebuild (even if you dont know it) and only get through the demo part.

Anyone else: We Asked, and sought, or we ask and knocked or I sought and asked once.... and did not receive anything therefore God can not be real because the universe spins around me, and if there is a God then he better damn well meet me on my terms who does he think he is...

This is exactly what I was talking about when I said A/S/k is unfalsifiable. "If it failed, you must have left a step out".

Not true. I have said repeatedly if you A/S and failed it is because you have yet to complete the Knocking required.

You are assuming that one of the three A/S/K steps was left out of our attempts?

It's not an assumption. Because when ever one of you speaks to A/S/K in the past tense you have openly admitted that you are no longer knocking. If you are no longer knocking and did not receive the Holy Spirit as promised, then you did not follow the outline in Luke 11. Luke 11 tells us to knock till we get what we have been asking and seeking after. Not give up when things look bleek/The man inside tells us to go away.

For arguments sake lets say, we did leave a step out, but in all other ways were sincere. Wouldn't a god that wanted to have this relationship with us understand our sincerity and wish to have a relationship with him and give us a 'measure of the holy spirit' anyway?

Yes absolutly, why else do you think you have been given the gift of doubt that has canceled out your old faith, which positions yoou to rebuild strictly on Him? It is your pride/lack of keeping up your end of the process that has Him leave you where you are.
God has told us He will not exist in a proud Heart.
In this case a proud heart tells you that because God does not exist the way you think He should, No God can exist.. Therefore it is ok to quit when things look bleek.

How much pride does it take for one to have to demand God perform only in the way you expect Him to perform??

Can you see why it is so important that we be willing to meet God on His terms rather than demand He meet us on ours?

What if He started granting wishes with your warped version of Him firmly planted in your heart? Your granted wishes would only further undermine who God is and how it is He wants you to live. because He has re-enforced your picture of Him with those granted wishes. So He makes us drop the toxic religious beliefs and forces us to seek him on His terms.

What kind of petty deity would think, "that guy really wants to have have a relationship with me, his sincerity is 100%. Oh, but he left out a step. He goes to hell. Too bad really, because he was so close".

It more like that guy is serious, give Him what he wants (per the prodigal son).... Then the guy falls away and never comes back.which means he only wanted the freedom God offers just not God himself.

"Or maybe it was unfair of me to have him born and raised in a Hindu country. He didn't even make an attempt to A/S/K. Oh well, he goes to hell".

No one is born a Christian. I think it is harder to become a bible based Christian when one is born into a given faith.