RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 21, 2014 at 11:53 am
(This post was last modified: October 21, 2014 at 12:17 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(October 15, 2014 at 10:28 pm)Drich Wrote:are you a profit? Do you want to be? Die a marytar? Live and have nothing
Better than to die and be roasted eternally. If there is a God, it is welcome to make me a prophet with a lousy life if it will save me from the teeth gnashing agony.
(October 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Drich Wrote: And, if your wrong?
Think about it. If my experience with God was as empty as your own, why would I be standing with Him?
Same reason a Muslim stands with Allah.
(October 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Drich Wrote: What if.. Our/Christianity experience with God is not as empty as what you know?
What if the universe and all we know of it, including our memories, was just created in a highly advanced video game two minutes ago? You can 'what if' anything. It's not an argument, it's displaying your imagination.
(October 15, 2014 at 11:20 pm)Drich Wrote: http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilie...053_XD.gif [/img] We start with a proper definition.
The fallacy of petitio principii, or "begging the question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof".
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begs_the_question
And citing Luke 11 (which says nothing about never giving up A/S/King, btw) from the Bible presumes the Bible is a reliable source of information. Proving the Bible is step one, but you're assuming it.
(October 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Drich Wrote: The 'proposition' is a method in which proof is obtained.
Again it is a receip. If one follows the receip then one gets what the receip provides, if one does not follow the receip then one can not expect to receive what the receip provides.
This recipe doesn't say anything about following it over and over for years until you get the answer you're seeking, or any indication that you have to A/S/K more than once or that it could be a very long time between the A/S/King and the answering. You made all that up, because it just doesn't work very well as written.
(October 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Drich Wrote: So no question begging here, just a strait forward question. Did you (yes or no) A/S/k as outlined in Luke 11?
Yes. I just didn't follow the made-up version you claim is what is really meant in Luke.
(October 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Drich Wrote: What makes you think it's about volume? In your search for a wife are you looking to marry every man woman and child on the planet? Or is there just one who meets the criteria you are looking for?
The great commission implies that God wants his salesmen to recruit as many followers as possible. You seem to be trying to follow that commission. If you or God doesn't want us on board, how about not pestering us?
(October 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Drich Wrote: Jesus uses this analogy in several places. The 'one' He is looking for is the Church.
And he definitely doesn't want many people in the Church, eh?
(October 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Drich Wrote: No other religion has their God interact with the common man. Only Prophets and emisarries have that right even in OT judisim.
Never heard of the Hindu gods who incarnate as humans to interact with regular people, huh? Because it would take an extremely rudimentary knowledge of other religions to be aware of that, and ignorance is the main arrow in your quiver. If you meet God's criteria, I can't say they're very exacting. Apparently he doesn't care in the slightest if the things you say are true or not, and neither do you.
(October 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Drich Wrote: Do you want to serve God?
If it's real and is going to torture me eternally if I don't, yes. If it's not real, it would be stupid to serve it.
(October 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Drich Wrote: If your answer is not yes then it's no..
That makes as much sense as 'if your shirt is not white, then it's black'.
(October 15, 2014 at 1:29 pm)Drich Wrote: For all those who answer no directly or by default, you will be happy to know God has a plan for you, so you do not have to serve Him for eternity.
Apparently, if you're correct, it involves having his followers nag people over the internet (perhaps as an illustration of what hell will be like?).
(October 16, 2014 at 7:48 am)professor Wrote: FAF,
We were not created as slaves, or ancient forefathers chose that when they gave Satan the dominion
which they themselves possessed.
God's intention is a family, He said in the OT that He is the husband of Israel.
In the NT, Lord Jesus is the husband of the (true) Church.
He is coming for a Bride.
NOT sexual but relational.
THAT is the destiny of those who choose Him.
To be joined to God in fullness of joy forever.
Apparently a third of the angels, beings who had direct contact with him, whom he created to serve him, couldn't stand him and rebelled. There's reason to doubt that being joined to God guarantees 'fulness of joy forever', even if you believe the Bible.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.