RE: To explain knowledge of God
October 21, 2014 at 10:46 pm
(This post was last modified: October 21, 2014 at 10:49 pm by Jenny A.)
(October 21, 2014 at 9:51 pm)Drich Wrote:(October 21, 2014 at 10:44 am)Jenny A Wrote:thats the thing though. A/S/K when broken down to it's core elements is a process used anytime we desperately are looking for something. It doesn't have to be religion specific. It is a process that God has written into our very dna. It is how we naturally go about filling need in our lives. God/Christ is telling us to seek out the Holy Spirit as we would anything else we need in life.If you use a method like A/S/K on any set of beliefs from mainline Christianity, to Mormonism, to Islam, to devil worship, chances are good, you will find what you are looking for. Since the things found are diametrically opposed, it seems to me that the seekers are not finding anything real. Certainly they can't all be finding the true god.
So we will find anything we are seeking if we look desperately enough? Well, if we seek internally, I agree with you. But I don't think we should base our lives or much of anything else on what we find that way, because it's merely a reflection of what we want, not what is. And if we start thinking that we have a monopoly on the truth based on what we find inside, we are in serious moral danger.
(October 21, 2014 at 9:51 pm)Drich Wrote: My sister was being recruited and I supplied rebuttle for a year of all their best efforts.Uh huh, and I can show you a hell of a lot of factual rebuttle of the Bible. So I share your frustration. --- ASK is a method prone to bad results. After all it leads to Bible based Christianity among other absurdities.
(October 21, 2014 at 9:51 pm)Drich Wrote: because those people want to be Mormons... What the problem is? They have the right to justify their beliefs anyway they choose. Theirs is a religion based on community. Some people value community over God, for those who's God is based in community Mormonism is for them.
False religion serves a purpose. Not all are destined to be with God for eternity. This life was designed to sift wheat from chaff/sheep and goats. This happens while we are under our own steam, meaning it is the choices we make that seperates us from God. We have been given over to our hearts, and it is out hearts who informs our conscience selves and God whether we are sheep or goats, wheat or weed, wheat or chaff.
Mormonism and other false religion are all apart of that separating process.
Again, here if you wish to serve God one moves past Mormonism, if one wishes to serve and be apart of that specific religious community then your final destination a religion like Mormonism.
So here again A/S/K does indeed work because you are a/s/k'ing till you find what it is your heart wants, if it wants to serve God then it will keep asking and if it want to be apart of the Mormon community you will find what you have been looking for despite the Truth. That is why the 'truth test' works. Because those people value each other/community above and beyond senseable truth.
Ah, a little bit of predestination there huh? Those who want god will find him and those who really want something else will find something else? I'm not sure Mormons value community over god. They're pretty god oriented. They just reinforce belief with community. Who are you to say they weren't seeking god?
(October 21, 2014 at 9:51 pm)Drich Wrote:(October 21, 2014 at 9:51 pm)Drich Wrote: [quote='Jenny A' pid='778965' dateline='1413902697']because it is the job of people like me, woot, frodo, proffessor,GC to tell you.
So how would an outsider know who to ask for?
As opposed to what the nice young men from the Mormon church tell me? There's nothing to choose between you. You're all your own special brand of crazy.
(October 21, 2014 at 9:51 pm)Drich Wrote:(October 21, 2014 at 10:44 am)Jenny A Wrote: Or if any of the gods sought exists at all? Certainly, ASK won't tell you, because it works on all the gods.as it works on finding a mate, a job, the right shade of lip stick..
A lot of failed marriages and bad lipstick choice give you the lie there.
(October 21, 2014 at 9:51 pm)Drich Wrote:(October 21, 2014 at 10:44 am)Jenny A Wrote: ---- Except of course when it doesn't work and the seeker is told to go on knocking endlessly . . . .You need to be prepared to spend the rest of your life looking for a God if your heart is hard, but if you are willing to follow God where ever He may lead your time seeking will be brief.
But we just noticed that we will find what we want to find, including, I imagine, directions to follow where we want to go.
(October 21, 2014 at 10:24 pm)Christian Wrote: Aren't Atheists too stumbling on blind faith but hypocritically accuse us Christians of doing so?
Blind faith in what?
Or do you think it takes faith not to believe in god? Perhaps it takes faith not the believe in dragons, fairies, ghosts, or unicorns? It doesn't. Faith is believing in things with out evidence.
Not having a belief in things for which there is no evidence does not require faith. It doesn't require anything but the absence of faith.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.