To explain knowledge of God

[Jenny A]

It's not that the facts "replace" god, it's that there are no facts to support god. It isn't god or science, that is a false dichotomy. It's blind faith of god, or no blind faith in god. I can't prove god doesn't exist and I don't have faith that he doesn't. I just have no reason to believe he does.

In all of our lives there is aplace in which we yield to a given authority. For some that Authority is God to outher community, for others still it is man's knoweledge in science. No matter what we yeild to it is faith that places that system in a position of authority over you and yours..

What does it even mean to yield to science? I use and depend upon scientific discoveries. So does anyone living in an even remotely industrialized part of the world. But I wouldn't equate using and yielding to. Scientific laws I can't help yielding to. That's why this is such a grand description of trying the impossible:





I recognized the authority of the state but not as matter of blind faith. There are times when defiance is a good idea.

We haven't reached abortion clinics and gay marriage (two good things in my view) because of ASK. We've reasoned out those moral decision through public debate.

That not true is it? The soceity was dead set against both those things 50 years ago, and it wasn't a single public debate or even a series of public morally based debates that turned public opinion. It was years and years of asking (votes, debates, and petitions) and seeking (Research/the quest for the ever illusive 'gay gene' observations of wild animals sexual behavior, systematic and purposed dehumanization of the unborn, clinical studies etc etc...) and knocking the never ending barage that finally turned public opinion. You guys really have to put your heads in the sand to not see this in everyday life.

ASK as you propose it involves asking yourself what you want and seeking confirmation of it internally. Repeatedly asking the public and doing so with reasons, isn't the least bit similar. Comparing ASK to public protest is like comparing masturbation to sex with someone else.

No, it's a method of determining what a man wants to be true and imaging that to be the case.

As with the case of science if the truth is parramount then even if a false hypothsis/god is initially adopted, it's testing/Trials will eventually reveal itself. Then it is up to the indivisual to either ignore the truth or start his/her search over again. That is why knocking is so important. Because we are start out wrong, and it will take a few attempts before we Find the God of the Bible.

Uh huh? Tell me about this testing the hypothesis part, because I sure don't see it. What would falsify your belief in god?

Just because you can make yourself believe sometime doesn't make it true. That works both ways. From what you just said, ASK does not show whether god exists only that you can believe in him if you really really want to. That's hardly news. Nor is believing just because you want to a good idea.

What have i said that made you believe that simply believeing something is true ends the search? or ends the A/S/K process?

Your response to the Mormon truth test.

The problem most of you have with your arguements is that you believe the A/S/K method outlined in Luke 11 is a onesided endeavor. I keep telling you that most of you are Atheist because it is not a one sided endeavor. That you all asked God to proove himself in some way, and rather than support your broken down house God sent the trials of life, and took that empty religious structure away. leaving you an oppertunity to build again/knock. but rather than do that you all found something else to put in place of God.

Bingo, it is a one sided endeavor. There is no evidence it isn't. That Mormons and others also think it isn't a one sided endeavor and yet get different results is evidence that it is one sided.