To explain knowledge of God

[Drich]

I can't understand the requirement of faith.

God requires a mustard seed's worth of faith.. We place more than that in the airlines we fly with. God only requires enough faith to A/S/K

Why would such a being as a god require that we believe in it without any evidence for such belief?

Pride. Rather the lack of it, is required to approach God the way He has commanded.

Why should we have to take the word of other people?

Humility/service. Once saved we are not equals. we are servants./slaves Slaves/servants get told what to do.

Why should we have to take the word of other people who wrote that word for future generations?

Truth is truth what does it matter when or who it came from?

Why, then, must such faith be put to any test?

to be transformed to belief. to provide proof. to have that mustardseed Grow into a productive plant... Or did you not know that the seed, gets destroyed when the plant starts to grow?

What does this entity stand to gain through faith that it couldn't get through knowledge and instilling respect?

Knoweledge commands pride and ownership of said knowlwedge. God and man's pride can not coexist.
When you truly humble yourself all that you have you understand has been given as a gift, and that you/I am not the source of said knoweledge/wisdom but just a conduit.

The requirement of faith, to me, makes god look like a human construct... a cunning construct, or one that has been refined throughout the millennia, but one that takes advantage of certain pitfalls of the human mind.

Again that is the reason for trials.. to help the one stuck in faith move past it and receive outside proof. lets say you contract a deadly disease that their is no cure for, and God walks you through that trial and you come out on the other side... 'Science' Will tell you that it was an anomoly or that it was miss diagnosed.. but what do you think you would think/feel when God personally walks you though the impossiable? Now what if you lead a life of walking through the impossiable everyday? How much 'faith' do you think you would need if you could see the impossiable happen day in and day out?
Not very much because you will have accumilated a life time of proof. Albeit not proof enough for everyone else but it is proof enough for you.. And that's exactly what God offers Each of us. a lifetime filled of the impossiable... But again because it is impossiable what you will be made to endure will be difficult. these difficulties are often times labled 'trials.'

Really? not true?
Did Newton not experience gravity far before formulating how it works?
Did Archimedes not get in the bath before he had his Eureka moment?
Did Edison not observe lightning before figuring out how to work with electricity?

Sometimes, I feel like it would be good to have some "history of science" classes. Not a science class in the classical sense, just something that gives you context and chronology to the accumulated body of knowledge that mankind came to call "science". This is something I find terribly lacking in most theists.

I was a student of History long before i took intrest in Christianity, and if you look at my posts i often turn back to it to illustrate a point or turn in our modern day soceity.. If you want to talk history then stop talking about it and start using it.

Finally, you wish that we look for god, and yet, provide no god for us to look for.

Because God is not my pet monkey that I can simply produce.. If you want to meet God you will have to do it on His terms. His first is to check your pride and approach him not as some old grandfather, but as the Master and Commander of creation. Take off your hat, bend your knee do it right, and He has literally promised He will show up.

For me and mine He has time and time again.

You provide us with mental exploits which manage to convince a considerable segment of the population. But which, knowing beforehand of their exploitative nature, we logically refuse to undertake them!

Again what if they happened to you? What I have provided is what God offers you. This is not like a museum where there is a display and a sheet of glass to keep you from what I have experienced.. You too can have cancer or aids!! and if you want i can pray that you get it!!!
(Someone let stimbo know I'm back at it)

The point being God is willing to carry you through these deep valleys/situation that we endure so that you know the only reason you came out on the other side is becaus He put you there.

What you register as a opposition is us simply refusing to let our mental guard down.

That is not true because i have demonstrated that in this case A/S/K is used in everyday life for just about everything we do, EXCEPT for seeking out God.

We know full well how wrong that method can be. And we've been telling you this all along and, just when I thought you had registered that... you stick with it...

What you all dont seem to get that it is not my method. That is why I keep refering to luke 11. and the story Jesus put with it to illustrat this principle. The reason He did that was to show that this principle is tied to our core existance. Look at what he said: A man was looking for food/bread to feed some hungry guests.. Again, the primal need to eat spawned this A/S/K instinct. This wasn't some manufactured will plotted out plan this guy used to get bread. He simply did what he would naturally do when the need was great enough.

This is ALL God wants us to do. Is to be spiritually hungry enough to seek him as we would seek to feed ourselves when a little oppsition comes our way.

I've been exposed to lots of things. And they've brought me to be as I am.
Like Ricky Gervais said, "if god is real, then why did he make me an atheist?"

Atheism is often the result of an answered prayer, coupled with some pride (See my last post for greater detail)

You too have been exposed to the Qur'an, why don't you keep to it?

Because the trials of life washed it and allah away.

It is one of the latest "true" interactions of the divine with mankind... it should be even more "true" than the christian bible... and yet, you don't see it that way... why?

Because God did not support what was contained in that book.

Come on, man. Think out of the box.... China, 4000 years ago. Which prophets?

If 4000 years ago the chinese were sent prophets and they have no record now, then thoses people did not want to have God in their lives. The point being God will rightly judge them based on what they were exposed to, just like everyone else.

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Are you sure those are the only two options?

yup

"he finds what his heart truly wants. "
If you truly want to find and worship the god of the Qur'an, god will honor your efforts if you keep at it.

Open up the book and give it your best effort, and let the trials of life sift that religion for you.

If you truly want to find and worship the gods of the Vedas, the gods will honor your efforts if you keep at it.

Open up the book and give it your best effort, and let the trials of life sift that religion for you.

If you truly want to find and worship the god of the Valhalla, god will honor your efforts if you keep at it.

Open up the book and give it your best effort, and let the trials of life sift that religion for you.

Can't you yet see how flawed the method is?

no, I honestly can not.
maybe if you considered all that I have said to you, rather than defaulting to an old dawkins tactic of trying to establish the inablity of falsification, by creating a string of sterotypical strawmen, and knocking them down rather than speaking to what i have said, you would be hard pressed in seeing any flaws either.

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The A/S/K method Drich tells us of goes like this-
Idea / investigation, experimentation/ development/ new reality.
It is the scientific method.
How can you not see it?

Lol, nah, it ain't.

yah huh it is