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This is the Problem
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RE: This is the Problem
(October 23, 2014 at 4:52 pm)Christian Wrote: That non-Christians think that the Old Testament is a Christian text and true believers of Christ are somehow bound to it by letter.
Well that's because it is a Christian text (last time I checked the Bible still included 39 OT books).
Quote:OT was a Jew law and does not apply to Christ believers anymore.
So what? You still believe in the moral authority of the OT. I've listened to Christian priests try to explain this time and time again.

Jehovah had the opportunity to shape his chosen society however he wanted, and he chose to implement things like: divorce but only for men, inheritance, but only for sons, punishments for rape victims as well as the perpetrators, considering the vows of women to be less authoritative than that of men (Numbers 30), and giving these laws for warfare:
  • “When you go out to war against your enemies, and see horses and chariots and an army larger than your own, you shall not be afraid of them, for the Lord your God is with you, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt. And when you draw near to the battle, the priest shall come forward and speak to the people and shall say to them, ‘Hear, O Israel, today you are drawing near for battle against your enemies: let not your heart faint. Do not fear or panic or be in dread of them, for the Lord your God is he who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies, to give you the victory.’ Then the officers shall speak to the people, saying, ‘Is there any man who has built a new house and has not dedicated it? Let him go back to his house, lest he die in the battle and another man dedicate it. And is there any man who has planted a vineyard and has not enjoyed its fruit? Let him go back to his house, lest he die in the battle and another man enjoy its fruit. And is there any man who has betrothed a wife and has not taken her? Let him go back to his house, lest he die in the battle and another man take her.’ And the officers shall speak further to the people, and say, ‘Is there any man who is fearful and faint-hearted? Let him go back to his house, lest he make the heart of his fellows melt like his own.’ And when the officers have finished speaking to the people, then commanders shall be appointed at the head of the people.

    “When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if it responds to you peaceably and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. And when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the livestock, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as plunder for yourselves. And you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you. Thus you shall do to all the cities that are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God.

    “When you besiege a city for a long time, making war against it in order to take it, you shall not destroy its trees by wielding an axe against them. You may eat from them, but you shall not cut them down. Are the trees in the field human, that they should be besieged by you? Only the trees that you know are not trees for food you may destroy and cut down, that you may build siege works against the city that makes war with you, until it falls.


    Deuteronomy 20
So this is what God wants when his people go to war:

1. If the city surrenders, all its inhabitants are to be enslaved and made to do forced labour.
2. The women are to be taken as plunder. That is, they will become concubines (sex slaves) for God's people.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK

The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


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This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 4:52 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by FatAndFaithless - October 23, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 5:05 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 23, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 5:10 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by vorlon13 - October 23, 2014 at 5:15 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by FatAndFaithless - October 23, 2014 at 5:22 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by vorlon13 - October 23, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 5:28 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by dyresand - October 23, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Chas - October 24, 2014 at 3:56 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 23, 2014 at 5:36 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Whateverist - October 24, 2014 at 7:47 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by LostLocke - October 26, 2014 at 12:07 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 5:30 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 5:32 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 5:33 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 5:42 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 6:00 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 6:05 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 6:08 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 6:10 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 6:25 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 6:46 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 7:45 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 7:52 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 23, 2014 at 7:53 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Simon Moon - October 23, 2014 at 8:09 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Jenny A - October 23, 2014 at 11:36 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 11:55 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Jenny A - October 23, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by SteelCurtain - October 24, 2014 at 12:20 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Bad Wolf - October 24, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Minimalist - October 24, 2014 at 1:30 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by FatAndFaithless - October 23, 2014 at 5:37 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Minimalist - October 23, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 23, 2014 at 7:50 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 24, 2014 at 7:46 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 8:00 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 8:10 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Simon Moon - October 23, 2014 at 8:12 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 8:13 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 24, 2014 at 2:27 am
RE: This is the Problem - by dyresand - October 24, 2014 at 8:25 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Aractus - October 23, 2014 at 8:11 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 23, 2014 at 8:23 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 8:26 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by SteelCurtain - October 23, 2014 at 9:09 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 9:43 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by SteelCurtain - October 23, 2014 at 10:10 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Losty - October 24, 2014 at 6:57 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Cyberman - October 24, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Lemonvariable72 - October 24, 2014 at 1:53 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 24, 2014 at 4:22 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Chas - October 24, 2014 at 4:40 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Anomalocaris - October 24, 2014 at 4:48 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 24, 2014 at 4:52 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Anomalocaris - October 24, 2014 at 5:01 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Angrboda - October 25, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by SteelCurtain - October 25, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 25, 2014 at 10:49 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by SteelCurtain - October 25, 2014 at 10:57 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Aractus - October 26, 2014 at 3:24 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Lemonvariable72 - October 26, 2014 at 6:56 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 9:23 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Aractus - October 24, 2014 at 12:17 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Anomalocaris - October 24, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 24, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Anomalocaris - October 24, 2014 at 4:39 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Cyberman - October 23, 2014 at 9:53 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 23, 2014 at 9:57 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by The Valkyrie - October 23, 2014 at 9:59 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Cyberman - October 23, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by psychoslice - October 24, 2014 at 1:55 am
RE: This is the Problem - by RobbyPants - October 24, 2014 at 8:56 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Cato - October 24, 2014 at 12:29 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by JesusHChrist - October 24, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 24, 2014 at 12:51 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by LastPoet - October 24, 2014 at 1:08 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 24, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by LastPoet - October 24, 2014 at 1:16 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Esquilax - October 24, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by LastPoet - October 24, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 24, 2014 at 3:25 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by LastPoet - October 24, 2014 at 3:28 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Exian - October 24, 2014 at 4:34 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 24, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by JesusHChrist - October 24, 2014 at 5:06 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 24, 2014 at 5:09 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Minimalist - October 24, 2014 at 5:16 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by dyresand - October 24, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by ThomM - October 24, 2014 at 6:50 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 24, 2014 at 7:05 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Rahul - October 24, 2014 at 7:29 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Whateverist - October 24, 2014 at 7:41 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 25, 2014 at 12:32 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Whateverist - October 25, 2014 at 2:09 am
RE: This is the Problem - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 25, 2014 at 6:06 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Anomalocaris - October 25, 2014 at 12:35 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Exian - October 25, 2014 at 1:04 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Faith No More - October 25, 2014 at 4:11 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Minimalist - October 25, 2014 at 2:58 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Brian37 - October 25, 2014 at 3:15 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by ThomM - October 25, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by SteelCurtain - October 25, 2014 at 11:49 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 26, 2014 at 4:19 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Surgenator - October 26, 2014 at 4:23 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 26, 2014 at 4:25 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Whateverist - October 26, 2014 at 4:33 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by downbeatplumb - October 26, 2014 at 7:03 am
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 26, 2014 at 7:19 am
RE: This is the Problem - by downbeatplumb - October 26, 2014 at 8:56 am
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 26, 2014 at 8:59 am
RE: This is the Problem - by downbeatplumb - October 26, 2014 at 9:00 am
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 26, 2014 at 9:01 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Brian37 - October 26, 2014 at 9:06 am
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 26, 2014 at 4:22 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by downbeatplumb - October 26, 2014 at 4:26 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 26, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by abaris - October 26, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by downbeatplumb - October 26, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Surgenator - October 26, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 26, 2014 at 4:30 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by vorlon13 - October 26, 2014 at 4:31 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by DramaQueen - October 26, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 26, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Chas - October 26, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by genkaus - October 27, 2014 at 3:18 am
RE: This is the Problem - by Christian - October 26, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by abaris - October 26, 2014 at 4:45 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Esquilax - October 26, 2014 at 4:56 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Lemonvariable72 - October 26, 2014 at 5:29 pm
RE: This is the Problem - by Faith No More - October 26, 2014 at 6:24 pm



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