To explain knowledge of God

[Drich]

This is turning into a Statler-Waldorf kind of reply!
WHY? What's his problem? Why can't he just present himself as the being that you claim he is?

He does, just to those who earnestly seek Him.

Why the mental charade?

You answer is as simple as answering The meaning of life. This life was given to us so we may know in our hearts where we stand in relation of desire to serve and worship God.

If the Glory of God was known to all of us then the vast majority would seek God not to love and worship but to save themselves from Hell.

Again which would defeat the purpose of the time we have been given here. As it is only those who Seek to love and worship God find Him.

Humility/service. Once saved we are not equals. we are servants./slaves Slaves/servants get told what to do.

That's how people fall for cons... how do you know you're not a victim?

God delivered what was promised... That BTW is how one seperates a Con from a genuinly Good Deal. (Whether or not you get what has been promised.)

Truth should bear some resemblance with reality.

If truth does not resemble reality re-examine the variables. In that have you accounted for ALL Of them. In this case I can think of three you have not.

The reality I observe, the reality you observe, the reality that the chinese from 4000 years ago observed.

In what way can this be true? Have you observed all that I have? Has a chinaman who lived 4000 years ago observed what you have? No. of course not. This is why your 'reality' does not resemble the Truth.

Wut?!
Faith transformed to belief?
Try to explain that without metaphors, so I can understand what you mean.

Faith=believeing without seeing.
Belief in this instance refers to evidence based belief. Trials turn a faith based belief into a belief based on evidence.

Knoweledge commands pride and ownership of said knowlwedge. God and man's pride can not coexist.
When you truly humble yourself all that you have you understand has been given as a gift, and that you/I am not the source of said knoweledge/wisdom but just a conduit.

Sounds like a cop out.

actually it sounds like James 4:10 and 1 peter 5:6

Why can't god and man's pride coexist?

Why should it. God is the ultimate authority on everything in creation. What does man have to be proud of when He has been told to be humble?

Is there any logical rule that even god can't break regarding pride?
If there is, how would you know about it?

God has broken the pride of man before, in prophets, and those willing to lay it down before him. But in both cases the one to be hummbled must already belong to Him.

Let's say you contract a non-fatal, but chronic wound, like... lose a leg. god walks thousands through that trial every day... none of them have grown a leg back.

what makes you think God is limited to only make a new leg grow in place of the old one?

Diseases and other things we can't actually see and fully understand how they work, due to their complexity or small scale, cannot have cures and effects attributed to any god, for it will be considered "god of the gaps".

So.. in your world God can not exist in the gaps?

Because in mine, God not only exists in the gaps He also exists in the known world. Meaning God is not just limited to the unknown, but can be seen in conventional knoweledge as well.

Then let him produce himself.

All anyone need do is humble himself to God and allow Him to lift you up.

Considering how humanity has evolved from primates, at some point, if there is such a being, it must have contacted humans and relayed his message onto them.
Let him do the same with me and all, if he wishes me to acknowledge his existence.
If he does not wish it, then just carry on.

this is the pride in which I speak. Do you think the leader of your nation would do such a thing, and personally beg for your vote? Why would a being far superior to any man be forced to seek you out and ask that you serve Him? Again why wouldn't he simply see you to Hell or make the demand you seek Him out?

Because if He sought you where would it stop? New car, New House, Better Job/Lottery win??? I'm not anywhere near God and I can see how foolish it would be to chase after us.

hmmm... do you have a photo of such a "show up"?

I can take a picture of our new facility that we just moved into if you like.. we are paying around 5 dollars a square foot in our current location where as our neighbors are paying 25 dollars a square foot.

What you have provided is not what "god offers me", but what someone wrote in the bible about that god.

One sure way to tell if the offer extends to you or not. (Take Him up on said offer properly)

And you believe in the contents of the bible, hence, you believe that the god offers anything.

I believe the bible because trial after trial hardship after hardship the principles and promises contained in it ring out to be true.

Don't turn things around, man.
First and foremost, thus far, you have let us know this: you believe in the bible. (specifically the NT... the OT is nasty and needs some cherry picking, am I right?)

Nuupe. all of it. However as I am not an OT Jew it does not all apply to me. Remember 2 dictinct religions are being repersented here.

And yet, all those valleys can be attributed to natural causes, as well as the climbing out of them.

If you were to take anyone situation and apply it to anyone this could be easily explained away as a natural part of life. But, as some of your peers can even attest the level and sheer volume of 'crap' that I've been through makes it seem unlikly that I am telling the truth in everything that I have reported here.. I know some are even doubting the whole cancer scare I have been going through for the last 6 months. Even members of my own church can sometimes think it is all too much and I am 'streaching the truth.' But, in truth I have experenced and endured much more..
Comming out on top or better when one goes into a situation is unique to what God has promised.

Why should I even consider the option of a god, if no one had come up with that concept before me?

There is no reason to consider God unless you look forward to an eternity of service.

Didn't I say something about Newton, before?

Didn't I point back to the parable itself and reillustrate how A/S/K is a fundemental way humanity seeks out need? Now ask yourself is what newton discovered based off of basic need?

I know it's not "your" method... it's a way of speaking!
But yes, you're right, it's something tied to our core existence.

Something in the way our brains work, makes the ASK method work the same for any concept of god.
If you seek the god of the Qur'an, you find the god of the Qur'an.

In truth the god of the koran does not avail himself to humanity on mass.

If you seek the god of the bible, you find the god of the bible.

Not just seek. Many openly seek and as your trying to illustrate can only find what their minds will accept. One has to ask Seek and knock. Ask and seek many of you have, it is the knocking that seperate those who find the God of the bible and those who do not.

If you seek anything spiritual, you find something spiritual.

if you seek to identify with spirituality, you will find it.

And yet, I'm not spiritually hungry.
I feel no spiritual hunger whatsoever. Never have... likely, never will. What now?

move on to the next topic.