RE: Rape victim sentenced to death in Iran.
October 26, 2014 at 3:55 pm
(This post was last modified: October 26, 2014 at 4:19 pm by Violet.)
(October 26, 2014 at 8:34 am)Brian37 Wrote: Not at all not, don't be silly. I am ticked at ignorance and bad use of logic. You do not fix a problem without accepting that it is a problem.
Okay. How is this 'The West's problem? I could maybe see it as Turkey's problem, or Saudi's problem... but none of this matters to us. If we *do* have a problem with this, it's mostly because *we* bombed them.
Hell, the USA not only allows the cartels just over our border to traffic persons and drugs: it has helped some cartels (Sinaloa) to gain an edge over their competition.
Once you stop focusing so hard on the middle east, the 'problems' of the middle east tend to stay around the middle east.
Quote:I am using segregation in our history to serve as an example institutionalized laws that stack the deck against a particular segment of society. In the case of Iran, that law is on the books. That law is sexist, there is no way any women can have confidence in a system that punishes you for something that happened to you.
And there's no reason that anyone should have confidence in a system that can get an utterly innocent person jailed without having done anything expressly illegal, or legally rob them of hundreds of thousands of dollars net worth of property on an individual policeman's estimation of probable cause.
That's our system, by the way.
Quote:Just like no black person during segregation could have confidence in laws or courts that were stacked against them even before they got accused of something.
Still happens since these laws disappeared. Bias is a powerful thing, and it's a self-perpetuating bias.
This is where we go back to my "blame white people" philosophy, no?
Quote:It is not a black or white issue. If you came out as an Atheist if you lived in Saudi Arabia, how much confidence would you have in their court system? How easy would it be for a fundy living there, to accuse another Muslim of being an atheist, even if they were not?
Why would my ideology apply to being accused of illegality in Saudi? Why would their accusation hold up (especially if they are indeed not)?
Quote:Please tell me you are not that dense to understand that?
I've yet to see anything that I'm supposed to understand. Care to help me with that?

Quote:The laws in Iran are not only stacked against women, they are stacked against non Shiites, including Sunni Muslims. At best you get by in that country if you keep your mouth shut.
That's how you survive best in every country, and it applies well to every person living in it, regardless their 'privilege'.
Quote:Iran has traffic lights too, that doesn't make them western and secular.
Iran is a theocracy. I really have no idea what you're getting at here.
(October 26, 2014 at 10:38 am)Brian37 Wrote: Tell you what, move to Iran and see if you can hand out bibles door to door then come back and tell me I am engaging in demagoguery.
Right, and that comes off better than handing them any other book of religious or political origin?
Quote:Now when you can prove to me Iran is secular and not a theocracy then I will shut up. You are staring at my finger when I am pointing at the moon moron.
Theocracy does not also mean 'irrational', and it does not also mean 'without a code of laws strictly adhered to'.
Secular literally only means that religion has no significant role in it. That religion does here does not change the fact of law.
(October 26, 2014 at 11:07 am)Brian37 Wrote: Did you have sex with Ray Comfort because your breath smells like his sperm.
... How do you know what Ray Comfort's sperm smel-oh. Now I get it.
Hey hey... I'm not gonna be judging or nothing, man.
(October 26, 2014 at 11:48 am)Brian37 Wrote: Now lets see him argue "where do you see laws saying gays should be executed"?
Uganda, after some heavy christian influence.
Oh, and that would be the Uganda of the past. It's since been overturned. Have a gay day

Quote:She got executed because she has a vagina and cannot use the same defense a man would if attacked even for non sexual assault.
Honestly, it's got less to do with the pussy, and more to do with societal expectation of appearance during argument. Bit more nuanced.
Quote:When my sister was raped, back then, the mentality was that if you wore tight clothing or went somewhere with a man you just met, which is what she did, then she was at fault and not the man.
The former's mentality is still largely there, and... they're probably in part at fault. Legal parallel is criminal negligence (failure to use reasonable care).
The latter could easily be argued as risk-seeking behavior. Were I the defendant of the rapist, that would indeed be among my observations. I'd take care to avoid suggesting the guilt of the whatever who 'raped' her... instead turning the tables and accusing her of preying upon my client.
Quote:She was executed for having a vagina.
Assertion without evidence. Do you have evidence, or are you gonna putter like this all day?
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