RE: infinite reasons made me not to believe islam
July 5, 2010 at 7:43 am
Quote:he would not have made any humans so flawed that any at all could fail this test, not at least if the penalty is that they will be kept alive after they die to be tortured forever.
he didnt made anyone flawed he made everyone with the ability to choose if you are not free to choose you are not going to hell
Quote:Why does your god not just let the failed ones stay dead? He could still reward the good ones who passed the test, but why cause unecessary misery to the failed ones? It's not their fault that your god designed them so that some would fail. Your god must not be a god of kindness and peace, or else he would at least not wake the dead to remind them how much of a failure they were and torture them forever as punishment. Why would your god be angry at them for not believing in something there is no way to perceive except as a concept in the mind? To punish people for that is cruel.
we are an eternal creatures so dont wait that when you are cruel to god that he will just make you disapear.he created you and he owns you you cant put the rules and also you are told what will happen if you make certain things so when you still choose to do it you are responsible for the results that you knew before.as an example if you kill someone you will go to jail for the rest of your life so if you go on and kill someone you will be responsible for what happened to you and not the ruler who put the law and also dont forget that if you choose the good thing you will go to paradise for eternity also
Quote:Why does he need us to think nice thoughts about his greatness to him? Isn't it tribute enough just to enjoy this beautiful universe we live in? If your god really wanted people to believe in him as a separate creator of the universe (at least we know the universe is real, we see it, and touch it), then he could just zap that knowledge right into our brains. Belief has nothing to do with the morals of the person or how good they are or their actions, so what is your god judging here? Smartness (in seeing subtle metaphorical 'signs' of existence)? If so, then it's his fault for making some people stupid. Obedience? That just determines how much the person caves to pressure from others, not whether they are a good person. Goodness? Well, belief or disbelief has nothing to do with goodness.
he wants us to believe and not need us to believe.if he just zap the knowledge into our brains we will be just like animals who dont have to make their own choice of beliefs and their will be no test for us and also no reason to be here.and again no one is stupid but some people choose to ignore signs and also choose to enjoy life(as they think) in the way they see is good regardless of the reasons we are here for and regardless of many other things
Quote:Is that a guilt trip? Even if I felt I owe it to him, how do you MAKE yourself believe in something that is not there? Is there something to see, hear, measure, touch, etc? You say the universe means there is a god (and that it's your god, not someone else's). I say the universe means there is a universe.
Hey there is a circular problem with what you say:
Your god gave me everything.
I owe him my belief.
But if I believe he gave me everything, I must have already believed beforehand.
If the problem is that I don't believe (yes, that is the problem here), then how can I believe he's responsible for giving me everything? How can I then feel I owe him anything? How do I know for sure that he gave me things needing that type of payment (belief in him) in return?
if you want to know anything about god you must assume that god exist or we will not get to an end to our conversation and this will get us back to wether god exist or not which i see if this is the main problem that make you dont believe you must concentrate in it as its hard to know wether god is merciful and justice or not when you think that there is no god
Quote:What are you babbling about with mothers and success or whatever the fuck? Are you comparing the denial of something that is NOT there with the denial of a person that for sure IS there?
if you dont want to believe you will never believe even if you see with your eyes you will always invent something exactly as saying that the universe was made by itself when if someone told you that your computer is made by itself you will never believe it but you chose to believe that all the things in the universe came by chance.
Quote:Belief is a thought. Actions are actions. Belief do not always go hand in hand with actions. Sometimes yes, but not always or by default, so unless your holy book specifically says that each time it mentions belief, then that is just you trying to make things fit where they don't.
am not trying to fit anything am just saying that if am sure that i will stand infront of god in the judgment day this will effect my actions.there is levels of believe the highest level is that all your actions is for god and is based on the day you will stand infront of god and there is another level which is just a thought that dont effect your actions and both will not be the same when standing in the judgment day
Quote:If that was true, then your god wouldn't say how many times you must do it a day, when, and how (facing a certain direction, bowing and stuff). And why punish those who don't do it? Is it not punishment enough that they are missing out on some wonderful conversations with your god? Why punish them further with eternal torture?
god tells you the good thing to do for your soul and for yourself he guides you to the good things that will make you happier in this life and after life but you still have to choose.thats why you find the people who converts to islam is more religious than many muslims who was born muslims thats because they are the ones who know the difference.
