RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 5:24 pm
(This post was last modified: October 27, 2014 at 5:28 pm by trmof.)
(October 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Quote:Do you think that hard atheism is irrational considering that man can not know what he doesn't know?
No. The question as worded indicates that you don't understand what positive atheism actually is (I've never before heard the term 'hard atheism').
An atheist, as such, is one who lacks all belief in all gods, nothing more or less. It is not an insistence that gods cannot exist. Rather, it is a statement about the lack of belief of a particular individual. One doesn't need to be metaphysically certain that gods don't exist in order to be a positive atheist - all that is needed is to lack the belief that they do exist.
And for what it's worth, 'man cannot know what he doesn't know' applies perfectly well to theists. By way of example, you don't know that God exists, you simply believe that he does, which isn't the same thing at all.
Boru
Yes, I do know that God exists. Whether or not you believe me and whether or not I can share that knowledge with you has no bearing on that knowledge. I am a gnostic Christian. I know God exists.
(October 27, 2014 at 5:23 pm)Chad32 Wrote:(October 27, 2014 at 5:18 pm)trmof Wrote: We can agree on all of that. However, hard atheists are just as likely to conflate peaceful Christians with extreme ones and blindly attack them as extremist Christians are to do the same. I think we should have just as much condemnation for the intolerance of hard atheists as we do for violent Christians.
We should admonish anyone who says all members of a group are the same as any individual. Humans just don't work that way. My grandmother isn't about to run down a homosexual with her car, even though she doesn't care for them. I am not going to say that religion should be banned, despite hearing some atheists say it. You can believe what you want. Just don't terrorize people that don't.
People will be people, and we should discourage people who try to push others down, and punish people who threaten lives because their belief differ. Regardless of what group these people belong to.
There is a small yet very vocal contingent of hard atheists who advocate for the genocide of all religious people. From your statements I'm sure you would agree these people are fucking nuts. I think it's high time for a more civilized dialogue between atheists and the religious, and while violent Christians are constantly condemned, there is much less acknowledgement of the danger of hard atheism. For example, if the subject of Stalin or Mao and the millions of people they killed is brought up, it often leads to a "no true atheist" argument.