(October 27, 2014 at 2:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Coincidentally....or maybe it is one of them fucking miracles that drippy is always talking about....I ran across this comment in Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus" last night. Sure to piss off fundies.
Quote:These latter ideas would have infiltrated Palestinian society in two ways. Some would arrive by simple report: pagans and Jewish pilgrims retelling what they heard and knew and what they thought about it; and likewise bringing books with them, to loan, sell or read aloud; it would also be incredible to think that none of the cities in Palestine had public libraries, which were otherwise a standard feature of major cities of the time, and surely a feature of every city with a large Gentile presence, such as Caesarea or Tyre. But others would arrive through prior syncretism: diaspora Jews combined pagan religious and philosophical ideas with their own Jewish faith (as Philo of Alexandria did-and just as what were then 'mainstream' Palestinian Jews had done before when they adopted notions of hell and resurrection, and the Devil as a supernatural enemy of God, all
from their pagan Zoroastrian overlords centuries before), and then came to Judea and promulgated their new ideas as Jewish ideas rather than pagan.
-pg 165
Better hope Ahura Mazda has a sense of humor, drippy. If not, he'll fry your friggin' ass.
It's funny minnie while many people claim Zoroastrianism is much older The oldest Historical records (actual documents concerning this religion put it around 3 or 4AD)
How can I make such a blasphmous claim again mr. carrier worldly "wisdom?"
well i take a well respected book on the subject like:
http://www.avesta.org/dhalla/dhalla1.htm
Then on Chapter 1 page one in the references mentioned I look them up:
The oldest is known source for Zoro'ism is: Avestan literature
Then I looked that up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avesta
from which we get:
According to the Dēnkard, a semi-religious work written in the 9th century, the king Volgash (thought to be the Parthian king Vologases I, c. 51–78 AD) attempted to have the sacred texts collected and collated. The results of this undertaking (the so-called "Arsacid archetype"), if it occurred, have not survived.
All texts known today derive from a single master copy, now lost but known as the "Sassanian archetype", most likely a product of the 3rd or 4th century. According to tradition, in the 3rd century, the Sassanian emperor Ardashir I (r. 226-241 AD) commanded his high priest Tonsar (or Tansar) to compile the theological texts. According to the Dēnkard, the Tonsar effort resulted in the reproduction of twenty-one volumes, called nasks, subdivided into 348 chapters, with approximately 3.5 million words in total. One final redaction took place under Shapur II (r. 309-379).
And if you were to bother to read something beside a colored commentary from someone like carrier or dawkins you would have noted a long time ago that this particular religion whores itself out to what ever is popular or well received and is in a constant state of change.
Sorry minnie but I will not be answering to anyone but the God of the bible.
