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Are you going to hell...
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RE: Are you going to hell...
Drippy, we have world class scholars on one hand and then we have a dumb-as-a-fucking-rock moron like you on the other. Guess who wins?

http://www.pyracantha.com/Z/zjc3.html

Quote:It was during the end of the Exile, among the Jews now living in the Persian Empire, that the first significant contact was made between the Jewish and Iranian cultures. And it is evident in the Bible that Jewish thinking changed after the Exile. The question is then: are these changes the result of the cultural meeting of Jewish and Iranian thinkers, or are these changes due to the shock of Exile? During the Exile, Jews had to change not only how they worshipped, since they no longer had their temple or the animal sacrifices which had been at the center of their faith, but also how they thought about God. The Jewish concept of God as their tribal protector, who would save them from being conquered or exiled, had to undergo revision.

I believe that both factors are present, inspiring the changes in post-exilic Judaism: not only the Jews thinking new thoughts about God and humanity, but also contact with the Zoroastrian religion of the Persian Empire. But then another question arises: how did the ancient Jews learn about Zoroastrianism? It is highly unlikely that Jewish scholars and thinkers ever directly encountered Zoroastrian scriptures such as the Gathas (the founding text of the Zoroastrian faith, attributed to the Prophet Zarathushtra himself) or the Yashts (hymns of praise to various intermediate deities and guardian spirits, adapted from pre- Zarathushtrian mythology). The priestly usage and archaic language of the Avesta scriptures would be a barrier to Jews. But most of Zoroastrianism, known and practiced among the people, existed in oral tradition: through word of mouth, not by the study of written scriptures. This oral tradition included stories about God, the Creation, the ethical and cosmic conflict of Good and Evil, the divine Judgment and the end of the world. The tradition would also include the well-known Zoroastrian symbolism of fire, light and darkness, as well as stories and prayers about the yazatas or intermediate spiritual beings and the Prophet Zarathushtra. These are all elements of what might be called "classic" Zoroastrianism (as it developed from the "primal" Zoroastrianism of the Gathas).

This is how the Jews encountered Zoroastrianism - in private dialogues and political and civic experience, rather than in formal religious studies. And as the Jewish religion was re-made after the catastrophe of the Exile, these Zoroastrian teachings began to filter into the Jewish religious culture.
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Are you going to hell... - by Drich - October 26, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Chad32 - October 26, 2014 at 11:36 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Whateverist - October 26, 2014 at 11:38 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - October 26, 2014 at 2:25 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by KUSA - October 26, 2014 at 1:26 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by JeffofGallifrey - October 26, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Chad32 - October 26, 2014 at 1:54 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Chad32 - October 26, 2014 at 3:09 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Anomalocaris - October 26, 2014 at 3:30 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Violet - October 26, 2014 at 6:28 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - October 26, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Violet - October 26, 2014 at 9:03 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - October 26, 2014 at 11:21 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Violet - October 27, 2014 at 2:22 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Jenny A - October 27, 2014 at 12:00 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Neo-Scholastic - October 27, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Jenny A - October 27, 2014 at 2:10 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Anomalocaris - October 27, 2014 at 6:27 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Zen Badger - October 27, 2014 at 10:53 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 26, 2014 at 6:59 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Jenny A - October 26, 2014 at 10:18 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by FreeTony - October 27, 2014 at 8:20 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by JuliaL - October 27, 2014 at 9:17 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Alex K - October 27, 2014 at 9:41 am
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by RobbyPants - October 27, 2014 at 10:37 am
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Chad32 - October 27, 2014 at 11:03 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by dyresand - October 27, 2014 at 11:14 am
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by LastPoet - October 27, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by paulpablo - October 27, 2014 at 1:18 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Minimalist - October 27, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Aoi Magi - October 27, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Aoi Magi - October 27, 2014 at 2:18 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Mudhammam - October 27, 2014 at 2:22 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - October 27, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Natachan - October 27, 2014 at 3:33 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - October 27, 2014 at 9:51 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Mudhammam - October 28, 2014 at 2:10 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - October 28, 2014 at 2:20 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Mudhammam - October 28, 2014 at 2:22 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Brakeman - October 27, 2014 at 7:16 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by dyresand - October 28, 2014 at 1:04 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 28, 2014 at 3:45 am
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by ThomM - October 28, 2014 at 9:32 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Whateverist - October 29, 2014 at 12:46 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Brakeman - November 13, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Minimalist - November 13, 2014 at 10:36 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Thumpalumpacus - November 14, 2014 at 12:05 am
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Thumpalumpacus - November 14, 2014 at 1:07 am
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Tonus - November 14, 2014 at 9:24 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by KevinM1 - November 14, 2014 at 1:36 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 16, 2014 at 3:33 am
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Whateverist - November 16, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by IATIA - November 16, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by strawdawg - November 16, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Chad32 - November 16, 2014 at 1:50 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Chad32 - November 16, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by xpastor - November 24, 2014 at 6:28 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Ravenshire - February 2, 2016 at 1:30 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Cecelia - February 1, 2016 at 11:40 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Cyberman - February 2, 2016 at 12:54 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - February 2, 2016 at 10:51 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Cyberman - February 2, 2016 at 11:03 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - February 2, 2016 at 11:45 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by God of Mr. Hanky - February 2, 2016 at 1:23 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Excited Penguin - February 2, 2016 at 2:05 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Edwardo Piet - February 3, 2016 at 2:46 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by robvalue - February 2, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - February 2, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Ivan Denisovich - February 2, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Heat - February 2, 2016 at 4:27 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - February 2, 2016 at 10:45 am
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Drich - February 2, 2016 at 10:49 am
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Joods - February 3, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Divinity - February 2, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Cyberman - February 3, 2016 at 12:17 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Edwardo Piet - February 3, 2016 at 2:25 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Whateverist - February 3, 2016 at 2:39 am
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Edwardo Piet - February 3, 2016 at 3:05 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by robvalue - February 3, 2016 at 5:17 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by dyresand - February 3, 2016 at 8:33 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Mudhammam - February 3, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by robvalue - February 3, 2016 at 7:29 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Expired - February 3, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Cyberman - February 3, 2016 at 8:26 pm
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RE: Are you going to hell... - by Ravenshire - February 5, 2016 at 11:43 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by Silver - February 3, 2016 at 8:35 pm
RE: Are you going to hell... - by IATIA - February 5, 2016 at 10:51 pm

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