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Your stance on Hard Atheism

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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism

October 27, 2014 at 7:16 pm

(October 27, 2014 at 6:52 pm)trmof Wrote:
(October 27, 2014 at 6:46 pm)Alex K Wrote: So we are at lower case gods now. What is your definition of those?

Already defined those earlier.

Just went through the thread, you didn't. All you said is that they would possess powers incomprehensible to humans. Is that all you got?

The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

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