RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 28, 2014 at 11:33 am
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2014 at 12:18 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(October 27, 2014 at 8:11 pm)trmof Wrote:(October 27, 2014 at 8:01 pm)Chas Wrote: You are joking, correct? You made a claim that they were motivated by atheism, you must support it or we will dismiss it.
I made no such claim, I merely pointed out that they were atheists. I made no comment on their motivations.
You said this on page 2: "We can agree on all of that. However, hard atheists are just as likely to conflate peaceful Christians with extreme ones and blindly attack them as extremist Christians are to do the same. I think we should have just as much condemnation for the intolerance of hard atheists as we do for violent Christians."
You skipped the step of showing that 'hard atheism' is the relevant characteristic of the people you're complaining about...or even that they have a tendency to be 'hard atheists'. And if you don't regard 'hard atheism' as being the motivator, you may as well have not said that all, as you could as easily have complained about Caucasian men with moustaches oppressing minorities when they're in charge. You're at least making claims about their behavior, which is also unsubstantiated.
(October 27, 2014 at 8:28 pm)trmof Wrote: No, the fact that they had no objective reason to value human life made it easier for them to kill people. That is not a motivation, it is just of fact of their ideology. If I had to guess I would say their motivations were personal power, wealth, and land, but since I am not a mind reader I am unable to comment on anyone's motivations but my own.
Atheism is not an ideology, it's an opinon. Their ideology was communism...and you KNOW that.
(October 27, 2014 at 8:33 pm)trmof Wrote: They probably couldn't feel remorse because they were sociopaths. I myself am a sociopath, so remorse does nothing to keep me from killing people. Religion does that.
I didn't want to come out and say it, but that explains a lot. You really can't figure out why you shouldn't murder people if you don't think God says not to. But being religious demonstrably does not stop some sociopaths from becoming murderers and not being religious demonstrably does not always lead to other sociopaths being murderers. The threat of far-off punishment doesn't deter sociopaths (that's part of what it means to be a sociopath), it's just that most of them are not actually homicidal...for practical reasons in this life that have to do with the immediate repercussions, and the fact that they do need some kind of reason to trouble themselves to go to the effort. Sociopaths mimic moral behavior to 'blend in'. Sociopaths want to win, and murdering folks can get in the way of that. You may be telling yourself that it's religion that's stopping you from murdering, but it isn't. It's the consequences in this life. If you wanted to kill someone and knew you could get away with it, you would. Just 'repent' later. God forgives, right?
And if you're right, you're going to roast anyway. You can't honestly repent of your sins. You can't really feel bad about them, or honestly regret the harm you've done. And that's a necessary part of the salvation recipe in most versions of Christianity.
It's good that you're a high-functioning sociopath (it could be much worse), but I'd much rather you be aware of the legal and personal consequences that will fuck up your life royally if you commit murder than count on your adherence to commands you think came from your deity, especially if it's the one that's so forgiving.
The contact you believe you've had with God is more interesting to me now, though. Are you schizophrenic as well?
In either (or both) case, I hope you've been diagnosed by a professional. It would be a shame for you to think you're sociopathic if you're really not. It's a spectrum, maybe you're only a little sociopathic. Or maybe you're high-functioning enough to actually want to manage your sociopathy. Good luck with your mental health, I wish you the best on that.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.