RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 28, 2014 at 12:01 pm
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2014 at 12:17 pm by genkaus.)
(October 27, 2014 at 4:14 pm)trmof Wrote: And so a poll: Do you think that hard atheism is irrational considering that man can not know what he doesn't know?
Not if the said atheist gives valid reasons for that belief and ofcourse a man can know what he doesn't know.
(October 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm)trmof Wrote: Without proof that they can show you, you mean.
Without proof that can be regarded as a rational justification of the belief.
(October 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm)trmof Wrote: That does not mean God has not provided sufficient proof to them. I would fall into that category. God has proven his existence to me in a way which I can not adequately describe to another person, a way which is metaphysical, transcendent, and glorious beyond words, and it should be no surprise that I wish others to experience the same thing. If you choose not to believe me then that is fine, but I would hope that you would believe my intentions are pure.
This bullshit is the definition of insufficient proof.
(October 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm)trmof Wrote: If you are willing to concede that a god or gods could possibly exist, then you are an agnostic atheist.
Wrong. Conceding possibility of existence is not the same as acknowledging an absence of knowledge regarding existence. For example, I concede the possibility that there could be an elephant in my room, but since my room is in full view, I know there isn't an elephant here.
(October 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm)trmof Wrote: If you consider it a fact that no such thing does or can exist, then you are a hard atheist or gnostic atheist.
Saying it doesn't exist and saying it can't exist are two different things. Some versions of god are illogical and therefore can't exist. Others can, but don't.
(October 27, 2014 at 5:18 pm)trmof Wrote: We can agree on all of that. However, hard atheists are just as likely to conflate peaceful Christians with extreme ones and blindly attack them as extremist Christians are to do the same. I think we should have just as much condemnation for the intolerance of hard atheists as we do for violent Christians.
The only problem is, we don't see many "intolerant" or "violent" atheists around here.
(October 27, 2014 at 5:18 pm)trmof Wrote: Yes, contrary to popular belief, many if not most Christians believe in the existence of many gods. They simply believe that the creator God made them and that they rebelled. I believe Allah exists, I just think he's a prick.
I agree. Oh, and Allah is your god.
(October 27, 2014 at 5:24 pm)trmof Wrote: Yes, I do know that God exists. Whether or not you believe me and whether or not I can share that knowledge with you has no bearing on that knowledge. I am a gnostic Christian. I know God exists.
If you can't show it, then you don't know it.
(October 27, 2014 at 5:24 pm)trmof Wrote: There is a small yet very vocal contingent of hard atheists who advocate for the genocide of all religious people. From your statements I'm sure you would agree these people are fucking nuts. I think it's high time for a more civilized dialogue between atheists and the religious, and while violent Christians are constantly condemned, there is much less acknowledgement of the danger of hard atheism. For example, if the subject of Stalin or Mao and the millions of people they killed is brought up, it often leads to a "no true atheist" argument.
Ah, the old standby. Except, no one is denying they were atheists. What is being denied is that they killed in the name of atheism.
