RE: Two Words
November 4, 2014 at 2:35 pm
(This post was last modified: November 4, 2014 at 2:41 pm by Heywood.)
(November 4, 2014 at 2:21 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(November 4, 2014 at 12:49 pm)Heywood Wrote: When the republicans impeached Clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice, the democrats successfully sold it as Clinton being impeached for getting a blow job.
It was both. It was for perjury and obstruction *about* the blow job he got.
They didn't get him on lying about anything outside of his personal life. He lied about a blow job. Period.
The punishment should have been a plea deal on the perjury count where he agrees to plead guilty in exchange for a sentence of a $500 fine and Congressional censure. That would have saved the international embarrassment and the national cost to the tax payers of all the hassle regarding a fruitless attempt to impeach him over getting a blow job and then lying about it.
And then W Bush lies us into a war in Iraq but that's OK because when the GOP took the White House, we shamelessly shifted from "even the appearance of impropriety must be investigated, no matter that we're at war" to "shut up, salute, and support our president while the nation is at war or you're a terrorist sympathizing traitor."
Quote:I don't see them being able to do that this time. They can't even sell Obama care to the public.
Obama has made a tragic mistake that has haunted his entire presidency. He threw his liberal base under the bus, even openly insulting us, and sacrificed his mandate in a fruitless effort to build reconciliation and bipartisanship with the people who vowed to ruin his presidency no matter the cost to the nation. He "negotiated" by starting at the halfway point, giving away the store before he even got to the table, and "negotiated" the rest away after he arrived and still wound up with no bipartisan support to show for it.
Clinton was at least a shrewd political strategist who knew which way the wind was blowing and always maneuvered to put himself in the best position. Sure, he also betrayed liberals with NAFTA and other concessions to conservatives, but he only did so when he absolutely had to. That's why he left office with high approval ratings.
Obama is a tragic character. He flipped off the liberals with both hands and now they only vote for him because the GOP has gone crazy and the Democrats are the lesser evil. As for the GOP, he threw olive branch after olive branch and finally chopped down the whole damn olive tree for them and still they see him as Satan incarnate. He's lost the centrists and low information voters in between because he waits for the GOP to frame the debate and operates in reaction mode. No wonder his approval rating is in the tank despite all his accomplishments.
It's way past time for the Democrats to face obvious facts even as our corporate media will not: The GOP has gone bug-fucked insane. While in power, they will wreck the country. When out of power, they will not do anything except throw cinder blocks into traffic.
If they take the Senate, fasten your seat-belts because it's going to be a bumpy two years.
I don't know what fantasy world you live in but Obama has demonized the republicans ever since he got in office. Everything that was wrong with the country was always the republicans fault....which just isn't true.
(November 4, 2014 at 2:23 pm)Beccs Wrote: Hopefully there will be plenty of people voting blue.
There will be....but there will be even more people voting red. I like to the republicans to win soley so they can stop Obama from appointing puppets like Kagan and Sotomayer. Aside from that, I would love a split, deadlock government that doesn't pass anything accept house keeping bills.