RE: Can atheists convert theists?
July 8, 2010 at 2:11 pm
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2010 at 2:24 pm by In This Mind.)
(July 8, 2010 at 1:43 pm)Godhead Wrote: I do accept and I am ok with the fact that some people don't believe in god, and I don't preach, witness, or proselytize and never have. Again, I don't know where you're getting all of this from.
From your initial post, and what I have read of you thus far on these forums. Let us take your initial post, shall we?
'The purpose of this thread is to establish how an atheist would convert a theist to atheism. '
If you do not preach, witness, proselytize, and genuinely believe that belief is personal, why would you start this thread? Why would you even consider starting such a thread?
You and I both know the truth. You want to smugly laugh and say 'ha, you can't convert people to atheism because atheism is wrong, and my proof is that you can't convert me you'll just get angry and persecute me'. Been there, seen that, own way too many t-shirts. You don't want us to convert you, this is just another sideways attempt at witnessing. "See how strong I am against these atheists! Don't you want to be just like me? If you order now, you'll get a free white leather bible along with your Christ!' In short, you are setting yourself up to be 'persecuted', as demonstrated by your dismissal of disproving your stance as 'ridicule'.
'So, if you (atheists) were to attempt to convert a theist, how would you do it? Which methods would be most effective? Have you ever done it? If so, how? And which methods are least effective? Can you convert me? '
Yes, the truth of the matter is, if you were genuinely honest with yourself and willing to be rational, I could convert you. However, until you are genuinely honest with yourself and willing to take an honest, rational look at your beliefs, there is not conversion. It's no different than trying to help any other sort of addict. You are addicted to god and the comfort god gives you. You cling to god as my three year old clings to his teddy, because you believe it can protect you from the big scary world around you. It's easy to have faith. Just sit back and let others think for you and all your problems will magically go away. Except, just like in every other addiction, they don't. It's your crutch against reality, but reality always wins.