Atheist Morality vs Biblical Morality

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The problem is, you see things from such a narrow point of view. When a child is born into the world, there is suffering for both mother and child, not to mention bloody, yet do we say this is a terrible thing? no. when a child is born it is a joyous occasion, and the suffering is no longer remembered.

Speaking of narrow points of view, this is one from you. Do you honestly think that if we developed a method of childbirth tomorrow that alleviated all of the pain, that it wouldn't instantly become the most popular method of childbirth?

The pain of childbirth isn't erased when the child comes, and it isn't transmuted into some kind of happy thing either. The joy comes at the arrival of the child, not the suffering that preceded it. Nobody looks fondly on the process of childbirth. Nobody finds that pain appealing, it's just a reality of the process. But you're not talking about a process that required pain, you're not even talking about a process that even needed to happen.

You're talking about pain, inflicted on total innocents, for no reason at all, even though there was another way that was just as easily attainable. You're talking about a god who, when given the option of either hurting babies or not doing that, a choice that any normal human being would find trivial, if asked to find the moral answer, chooses to hurt babies.

And you're defending that choice because afterwards you would prefer to think that the babies got something nice, even though you have no indication that they actually did. It's despicable, and before you come back with this "oh, innocents go to heaven" crap, I'd remind you that another thing the bible constantly reinforces is the idea that the offspring bear the consequences of their parents' wrongdoings. The argument could be made either way, I'm just not willing to sugarcoat the entire process the way you are, because maybe there was a silver lining to an ordeal that never needed to happen.

like wise for those that return to God, it is a joyous occasion in heaven. Death is simply a transition from one place to another, is suffering sometimes involved? sure, but suffering is involved during birth, but that moment of suffering will no longer be remember once you step into eternity.

If suffering is not required in death, but that suffering is inflicted anyway, then that is needless, torturous cruelty. If a human did it you'd rightly call him a monster.