(November 5, 2014 at 3:20 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: like I said, you have a very narrow point of view.
your soul has no age, it has existed since the beginning, and at the appointed time you step out of eternity and in to your body here on earth. But because of sin, we suffer and we're appointed to die. When you die here, there is a body waiting for you over on the other side.
Why do you think repeating the same shoddy point and ignoring my objections counts as a rebuttal? Like I said, and you failed to even acknowledge, pain inflicted where no pain need be is needless, pointless cruelty. It doesn't matter what comes after, the point is that when god was offered a choice between hurting babies and not hurting babies, he chose the former, willingly, and without cause. These are not the acts of a moral ruler.
And don't give me this crap about sin; babies can't sin, they don't have the capacity to yet. If your argument is that they take the blame for original sin then, well, you're kinda done on this whole heaven thing too, since if you're saying they take on the ancestral sin then they're in hell, because another thing babies can't do is make a conscious choice to come to Jesus.
You can't have it both ways; if suffering is a product of sin then those babies were under that sin and are in hell, making the entire process completely monstrous. If the babies aren't under sin, then why were they made to suffer?
Quote:The decisions we make in this life determine if we return back to God or not. Children can't be held accountable for their decisions so they go to heaven, maybe God in his infinite knowledge knew that they would just follow the footsteps of their parents and decided to take them early, who knows?
Right, so they weren't held accountable for any sins, making their earthly suffering completely unjust. And if you're going to use god's foreknowledge as an excuse here, then you can never use the free will excuse to absolve god of responsibility for the problem of evil, either.
Quote:what I do know are these children are happy where they are and wouldn't want to return to earth under no circumstances.
There was a way to get them there without hurting them, and god chose to do the opposite. It doesn't matter if they're happy now, because this isn't about them, it's about the choices and thought processes of god. It has been since the beginning of this conversation, so please stop dodging.
Quote:I suppose an unborn child is content to live in the womb forever, after all the womb is all it knows, all it's need are provided for. But after experiencing the outside world would you want to return to the womb?
Irrelevant to the actual conversation. Quit laying dodgeball and address the issue.
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