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A Levite and his concubine
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RE: A Levite and his concubine
Quote: But there is no hard scientific evidence showing that genocide is unjustified. I get my ultimate morality from the bible.

Morality is not a scientific concept. It is based on things like empathy, past experience, and your own subjective judgement. You may have moral ideas that you consciously set, but no two people that share the same ideals will always make the same decisions. You get your morality from the bible, while a muslim gets his morality from the Qaran, and a Hindu gets his morality from the Vedas. How do we decide that the bible has the "true" moral standard? We could have a long discussion on deciding morality, but that is an entire conversation of its own.

Quote:The greatest thing is that because of his love for us, instead of the penalty of eternal death that we should suffer, he paid the price for us. So now, instead we have eternal life, even though we must suffer certain consequences for our sin, such as living in this messed up world.

But it is god that decides what sin is, and what the punishment for sin is. Therefore, god does not get to play the savior from the punishment for sin when it is he himself who created that punishment. He could just forgive us. He is the one who decided that blood had to be shed to atone for sin, and there is no reason that he needed to do that. The entire idea of an eternal punishment of suffering for a finite transgression is evil. It isn't even possible to do wrong against god. He is omnipotent and cannot be harmed. To be punished under a system in which we have no say and to be judged and manipulated by a being that exercises absolute authority over us is unjustifiable. The god of the bible is a despot and a tyrant.

In Numbers 31 Moses, under the direct command of god, orders his soldiers to slaughter all the Midianite men, woman, children, and infants, EXCEPT the young girls that had never slept with a man. Them, they were told to keep the virgin girls for themselves Are you seriously going to tell me that this is acceptable in your biblical-based morality? These are the direct orders of Moses to his soldiers, on God's authority. Even if you can justify the slaughter, are you really going to argue that there is ANY context in which it is morally acceptable to force young girls to be wives or sex slaves for their conquerors?
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A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 1:37 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by SteelCurtain - November 8, 2014 at 1:53 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 1:59 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by FifthElement - November 8, 2014 at 2:21 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by dyresand - November 8, 2014 at 9:36 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Godschild - November 8, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by dyresand - November 8, 2014 at 9:46 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Godschild - November 8, 2014 at 6:45 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Jackalope - November 8, 2014 at 6:58 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Godschild - November 10, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 10, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Godschild - November 10, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Jackalope - November 10, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Godschild - November 10, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Jackalope - November 10, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Jackalope - November 8, 2014 at 2:13 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by vorlon13 - November 8, 2014 at 9:47 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Drich - November 9, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Drich - November 9, 2014 at 11:29 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Mudhammam - November 9, 2014 at 11:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by dyresand - November 10, 2014 at 12:33 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Drich - November 10, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 11, 2014 at 4:42 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 10, 2014 at 5:19 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Drich - November 10, 2014 at 7:31 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 10, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 10, 2014 at 12:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by genkaus - November 10, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 9, 2014 at 5:42 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 10, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 10, 2014 at 5:54 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by vorlon13 - November 8, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by vorlon13 - November 8, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 8, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:34 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 8, 2014 at 2:39 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 8, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 2:34 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 2:15 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:26 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:34 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 8, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 8, 2014 at 3:04 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 3:18 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Jackalope - November 8, 2014 at 3:25 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 9, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 2:06 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 9, 2014 at 4:53 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 10, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 10, 2014 at 8:20 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 10, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 10, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 8, 2014 at 6:08 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 10:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 9, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Mudhammam - November 9, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Tonus - November 10, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 3:05 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by dimaniac - November 8, 2014 at 3:45 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by vorlon13 - November 8, 2014 at 6:14 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Mudhammam - November 8, 2014 at 9:17 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by SteelCurtain - November 9, 2014 at 2:02 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Aoi Magi - November 9, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 9, 2014 at 3:03 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 9, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 3:56 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 9, 2014 at 4:45 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 9, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 5:17 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 10, 2014 at 6:32 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 10, 2014 at 7:05 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 10, 2014 at 7:53 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 10, 2014 at 9:22 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 10, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 11, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 11, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 11, 2014 at 5:25 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 11, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 11, 2014 at 6:49 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 11, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 11, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 10, 2014 at 8:59 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by vorlon13 - November 9, 2014 at 3:47 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Mudhammam - November 10, 2014 at 9:44 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Drich - November 11, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Mudhammam - November 11, 2014 at 9:02 pm

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