A Levite and his concubine

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I for one am done with him giving another bible lecture. His god doesn't interest me the slightest bit.

I want to see the man behind the curtain. From now on I only accept his views on the issues. I want to know his stance on genocide, not the bible's or anybody else's. I wanna know his view on rape, I wanna know his view on holding people as slaves.

In short, I want to know his views on morality. What he considers good or evil.

There has to be a person somewhere. I am tired of being asked to present my authority on things that come naturally to any decent human being, without getting some real answer in return.

First of all God's authority comes from the fact that he created everything and has set the standards of morality that he expects from his creation. My morality comes from the bible. That's why I'm repulsed by the actions of the individuals in the bible passages we've been discussing, as was God. Why are you saying that I support the actions of these individuals? The bible never claims that they were morally justified and God didn't condone them. I keep saying this, but it seems to go over your heads.

I'm sure I agree with you on most of what is moral and immoral. Murder, rape, stealing lying, cheating, adultery, unkindness, etc. are all immoral--all the usual stuff. I believe we should love every person and treat them accordingly. These have all been passed down through scripture and have been enforced by society as well. Western civilization's morality is based upon standards which have been set for us in the bible.

From what you and others say here I assume that you base your morality on how you perceive the results to effect others. So you look at a situation and determine what you think would be right or wrong in that situation. Or maybe you possess the morality that your parents or your teachers handed down to you, or that society instilled in you. What I've been trying to get someone to tell me is why God or me or anybody should be forced to abide by your standards of morality. If someone can help himself by killing someone else, why shouldn't he? Many say it's necessary for a well-functioning society. Well, the European settlers killed countless native Americans and ran them off their land and corralled them on reservations, and our society has functioned quite well over the years. Bad for them, but good for us. Of course I thing it was wrong, but not because society told me it was. Society tells me that abortion, fornication, divorce are okay, but I don't agree. I think they are immoral.

Sounds like you're saying your standards are correct just because....they are.