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A Levite and his concubine
RE: A Levite and his concubine
(November 10, 2014 at 10:20 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Oh, come on, I've answered this question a while back. I believe that there is an objective framework which applies to everyone, and that framework is reality, which we all share and can reliably predict the outcomes thereof. In reality, we are all the same species, and we are all the same kind of thing; evolved beings with a tendency toward social grouping and cooperation. We need certain things, our pain response developed to signal that negative things are happening to us, when we're sick we suffer... these are the facts which apply to every single person without exception, and they are sufficient from which to derive general moral rules, which cover most any moral context.

Basically, you've said the same thing that I said--"I believe". That's because you have no objective evidence to support your claim. Many get along just fine trampling other people down; in fact they prosper by worldly standards. Others lead moral lives and live in misery. The framework of reality shows that people can prosper by living immoral lives. Prosperous societies are full of immoral people. Actually, I agree that if everyone followed the obvious moral standards, it would be better for society as a whole, but I don't believe that you can derive that from the natural reality of who we are as a species. In fact, it goes against our natural tendencies as human beings. We're born with selfish natures and are all fighting the natural desire to do what is best for ourselves. When someone is struggling against stealing some money, he's not thinking to himself how he would destroy the framework of society if he does, but he has something inside him telling him that it is wrong. Our morality comes from outside of ourselves and it's not inherent to our nature.
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A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 1:37 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by SteelCurtain - November 8, 2014 at 1:53 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 1:59 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by FifthElement - November 8, 2014 at 2:21 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by dyresand - November 8, 2014 at 9:36 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Godschild - November 8, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by dyresand - November 8, 2014 at 9:46 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Godschild - November 8, 2014 at 6:45 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Jackalope - November 8, 2014 at 6:58 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Godschild - November 10, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 10, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Godschild - November 10, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Jackalope - November 10, 2014 at 4:14 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Godschild - November 10, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Jackalope - November 10, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Jackalope - November 8, 2014 at 2:13 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by vorlon13 - November 8, 2014 at 9:47 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Drich - November 9, 2014 at 5:27 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Drich - November 9, 2014 at 11:29 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Mudhammam - November 9, 2014 at 11:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by dyresand - November 10, 2014 at 12:33 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Drich - November 10, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 11, 2014 at 4:42 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 10, 2014 at 5:19 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Drich - November 10, 2014 at 7:31 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 10, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 10, 2014 at 12:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by genkaus - November 10, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 9, 2014 at 5:42 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 10, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 10, 2014 at 5:54 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by vorlon13 - November 8, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by vorlon13 - November 8, 2014 at 4:54 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 8, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:34 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 8, 2014 at 2:39 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Fidel_Castronaut - November 8, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 2:34 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 2:15 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:26 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:34 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 8, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 8, 2014 at 3:04 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 3:18 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Jackalope - November 8, 2014 at 3:25 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 8, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 9, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 2:06 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 9, 2014 at 4:53 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 10, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 10, 2014 at 8:20 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by rexbeccarox - November 10, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 10, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 8, 2014 at 6:08 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 8, 2014 at 10:36 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 9, 2014 at 2:31 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Mudhammam - November 9, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Tonus - November 10, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by robvalue - November 8, 2014 at 3:05 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by dimaniac - November 8, 2014 at 3:45 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by vorlon13 - November 8, 2014 at 6:14 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Mudhammam - November 8, 2014 at 9:17 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by SteelCurtain - November 9, 2014 at 2:02 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Aoi Magi - November 9, 2014 at 2:47 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 9, 2014 at 3:03 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 9, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 3:56 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 9, 2014 at 4:45 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 4:57 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 9, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 9, 2014 at 5:17 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 10, 2014 at 6:32 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 10, 2014 at 7:05 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 10, 2014 at 7:53 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 10, 2014 at 9:22 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 10, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 11, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 11, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 11, 2014 at 5:25 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 11, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by abaris - November 11, 2014 at 6:49 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Lek - November 11, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Esquilax - November 11, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Astrogod07 - November 10, 2014 at 8:59 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by vorlon13 - November 9, 2014 at 3:47 pm
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Mudhammam - November 10, 2014 at 9:44 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Drich - November 11, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: A Levite and his concubine - by Mudhammam - November 11, 2014 at 9:02 pm

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