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The place of rage and hate
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RE: The place of rage and hate
(November 19, 2014 at 2:21 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Something that can be falsifiable. The deterministic view Schopenhauer proposes outright rejects random events. He provides no justification for this other than claiming there is a hidden variable that we're missing.
I suppose one way that Schopenhauer's determinism could be falsified is if an actual "miracle" occurred and we were to observe a consequent lacking any sufficient ground... which is not even the case at the scale of quantum events. Even then, to quote Brian Greene, "Wave functions--the probability waves of quantum mechanics--evolve in time according to precise mathematical rules, such as the Schrodinger equation... This informs us that quantum determinism replaces Laplace's classical determinism: Knowledge of the wave functions of all of the fundamental ingredients of the universe at some moment allows a 'vast enough' intelligence to determine the wave functions at any prior or future time. Quantum determinism tells us that the probability that any particular event will occur at some chosen time in the future is fully determined by knowledge of the wave functions at any time" (italics his). The scientific enterprise rests on the assumption that the same conditions necessitate the same outcome. Of course, Schopenhauer is writing before the revolution in physics at the turn of the twentieth-century so he's only discussing determinism as it relates to the classical image of the world, but even so, if you want to argue that it is appropriate to speak of human thoughts and behaviors in the context of quantum mechanics, 1) probabilities are still determined, and 2) free will cannot be salvaged by suggesting that actions can somehow spring forth from uncaused causes.
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The place of rage and hate - by Lemonvariable72 - November 12, 2014 at 10:39 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by bennyboy - November 12, 2014 at 11:37 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 12, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by The Valkyrie - November 12, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Mequa - November 13, 2014 at 7:48 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Thumpalumpacus - November 12, 2014 at 8:53 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Lemonvariable72 - November 12, 2014 at 9:53 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by bennyboy - November 12, 2014 at 11:12 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Lemonvariable72 - November 12, 2014 at 11:43 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by bennyboy - November 13, 2014 at 12:28 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Losty - November 13, 2014 at 12:55 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Whateverist - November 18, 2014 at 11:15 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Thumpalumpacus - November 18, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Losty - November 13, 2014 at 8:27 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by bennyboy - November 13, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Lemonvariable72 - November 18, 2014 at 9:18 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Losty - November 13, 2014 at 9:53 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Mudhammam - November 18, 2014 at 9:30 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Lemonvariable72 - November 18, 2014 at 9:45 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by abaris - November 18, 2014 at 9:51 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Mudhammam - November 18, 2014 at 10:42 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by bennyboy - November 18, 2014 at 11:02 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Mudhammam - November 18, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by bennyboy - November 18, 2014 at 3:16 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Mudhammam - November 18, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Surgenator - November 18, 2014 at 7:20 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by bennyboy - November 18, 2014 at 8:14 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Surgenator - November 18, 2014 at 11:05 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Mudhammam - November 19, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Surgenator - November 19, 2014 at 2:48 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by bennyboy - November 19, 2014 at 7:56 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Surgenator - November 19, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Mudhammam - November 19, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Surgenator - November 20, 2014 at 12:25 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Mudhammam - November 18, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2014 at 6:09 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by bennyboy - November 18, 2014 at 8:10 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by The Valkyrie - November 18, 2014 at 8:11 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Losty - November 19, 2014 at 4:50 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by bennyboy - November 19, 2014 at 7:34 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by The Valkyrie - November 18, 2014 at 6:13 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Mudhammam - November 19, 2014 at 7:38 am
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Surgenator - November 19, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Mudhammam - November 19, 2014 at 2:19 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by The Valkyrie - November 19, 2014 at 5:01 pm
RE: The place of rage and hate - by Losty - November 19, 2014 at 11:33 pm

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