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Can atheists convert theists?
RE: Can atheists convert theists?
Quote:Now, just for the sake of argument, if you were to press me with specifics, such as "Do you believe in a Supreme being in which created the universe and (insert infinite possibilities which people apply)?" My response would be "No" which would make me an atheist towards what someone is defining.

That's the definition of "God" that I reject the existence of - a very common definition - and hence why I call myself an atheist. I can relate, agree and understand there.

Quote:As a theological noncognitivist, though, there is a more serious problem than whether or not we believe in what was defined. What was defined, was defined improperly as it is based upon quite literally nothing.
So what? What's the problem there? You can take each definition thrown at you one at a time... and ask yourself whether you believe it or not.

Quote:I incorrectly called this "meaningless" earlier, and you were right to call me out on this.
Thanks. Of course it's not meaningless because all definitions - or IOW meanings - mean things no matter how vague.

Quote:I recant the word meaningless, and I'd like to replace it with "futile." It is futile to state one's position on the existence of a being which you cannot deduce attributes without assuming you already know them.
Why is it futile? That's a matter of personal subjective values, not a factual matter. It's entirely a matter of personal taste whether it's "futile" or not. If I don't feel it's futile then "to me" it isn't futile. In the sense that - at least as far as I know - there is no objective purpose or value(s) to the universe. I'm sure you'd agree there...?

So if this comes down to a matter of personal choice then how does this original claim of yours stand?:
Quote:Classifying myself as an atheist implies too much knowledge of the God in question

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Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 7, 2010 at 9:20 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Minimalist - July 7, 2010 at 9:46 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 7, 2010 at 9:51 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Minimalist - July 7, 2010 at 11:49 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Dotard - July 7, 2010 at 11:26 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by padraic - July 7, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Shell B - July 8, 2010 at 12:04 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Dotard - July 8, 2010 at 12:07 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 9:01 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 8, 2010 at 7:50 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 7:52 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 8, 2010 at 8:29 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 11:05 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Minimalist - July 8, 2010 at 11:45 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by padraic - July 8, 2010 at 8:03 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Darwinian - July 8, 2010 at 8:13 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Eilonnwy - July 8, 2010 at 8:32 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 8:45 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Eilonnwy - July 8, 2010 at 9:39 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 8, 2010 at 10:34 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 8:59 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 8, 2010 at 9:52 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 9:58 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Eilonnwy - July 8, 2010 at 10:08 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by tavarish - July 8, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 10:39 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Eilonnwy - July 8, 2010 at 11:01 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 11:13 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 8, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Zen Badger - July 8, 2010 at 10:42 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 11:25 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 8, 2010 at 3:22 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 11:27 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 12:01 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 12:19 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 12:23 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 1:31 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 12:34 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 1:43 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 2:11 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 5:01 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 5:51 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 9, 2010 at 10:08 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 6:27 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 8, 2010 at 6:35 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 7:04 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 7:49 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 7:58 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 8:08 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 8:12 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 9:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 9:49 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 9:51 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 8, 2010 at 10:00 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 8, 2010 at 10:02 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Loki_999 - July 9, 2010 at 2:13 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by KichigaiNeko - July 9, 2010 at 4:16 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 9, 2010 at 10:34 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 9, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 9, 2010 at 12:39 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 9, 2010 at 3:08 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 12:16 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 10, 2010 at 2:55 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by strattosphere - July 10, 2010 at 5:29 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Samson - July 10, 2010 at 2:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 5:28 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 5:32 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 6:16 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 6:20 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 6:28 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 6:32 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 6:38 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 6:45 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 7:02 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 9:07 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Autumnlicious - July 10, 2010 at 8:19 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 8:21 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 9:14 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 9:18 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 10, 2010 at 9:21 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 10, 2010 at 10:35 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 6:14 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by In This Mind - July 11, 2010 at 10:16 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 10:37 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 11:20 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 12:07 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Scented Nectar - July 11, 2010 at 11:30 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 12:29 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 12:26 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 12:29 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 1:07 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 1:25 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Minimalist - July 11, 2010 at 1:24 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Scented Nectar - July 11, 2010 at 1:48 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 2:17 pm
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 3:22 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 4:12 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 4:17 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 4:35 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 4:38 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 4:41 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Paul the Human - July 11, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:22 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:27 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:34 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 7:36 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 7:40 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 11, 2010 at 7:42 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by fr0d0 - July 11, 2010 at 7:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 11, 2010 at 7:50 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 8:30 pm
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 8:55 pm
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 11, 2010 at 9:24 pm
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 5:14 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2010 at 1:20 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 1:25 pm
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 6:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 6:49 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 7:55 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 8:15 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 12, 2010 at 7:11 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 7:44 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 8:52 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 12:37 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 12:47 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 1:01 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2010 at 1:13 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 12, 2010 at 7:15 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 13, 2010 at 5:32 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Knight - July 13, 2010 at 6:30 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 13, 2010 at 6:48 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Purple Rabbit - July 13, 2010 at 1:40 pm
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - July 18, 2010 at 11:35 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 7:49 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by theVOID - July 19, 2010 at 5:22 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by AtheistPhil - July 19, 2010 at 6:32 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Ace Otana - July 19, 2010 at 5:25 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by CoolBoy - July 19, 2010 at 7:04 pm
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by theVOID - July 19, 2010 at 8:48 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Ace Otana - July 19, 2010 at 8:47 pm
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 9:13 pm
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 9:23 pm
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 19, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by theVOID - July 19, 2010 at 9:29 pm
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Edwardo Piet - July 20, 2010 at 4:51 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Ace Otana - July 20, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 20, 2010 at 7:38 am
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RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Godhead - July 20, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: Can atheists convert theists? - by Ace Otana - July 20, 2010 at 12:58 pm
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