I Really Hate The Concept Of Free Will

[Chad32]

You can breathe without lungs. You'd just require gills, or absorbing oxygen through the skin.

This kind of discussion has gone on just like the free will argument and other things. Morality doesn't come from god. It comes from our evolutionary need to get along as a group. Since the rules required for different groups to get along differs between groups, morality is subjective. Even the idea of not killing each other, which is unanimous among groups, tends to not extend outside of the group, and sometimes includes people within the group that break other rules. That's why you have so much killing in the old testament, despite a short, simple rule saying thou shalt not kill.

We can start making lists of professed atheists, and people of other faiths, doing great things, while making a separate list of followers of Yahweh who did horrible things. Bill Gates gives part of his fortune to charity while priests molest little boys. It should be obvious that people commit virtuous and viscous deeds, regardless of their beliefs.