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If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
(December 1, 2014 at 2:10 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(December 1, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Heywood Wrote: Back to our world. You are correct. When we make observations at the quantum level it appears some events have no local causes. But causality tells us they have causes none the less. The notion that our reality is just a sub-reality of a larger reality is easier for me to accept than the idea that causality doesn't always hold.

The universe doesn't care what is easier for Heywood, myself, or anyone else to accept.

I find the double-slit experiment results difficult to accept - nonetheless, the results are what they are.

The crux of the matter is this - we don't know those things (your premises D & E) to be true, so your conclusion F is, as far as we can tell, unsupported. (And before you get your panties in a twist, I'm not arguing against causality - I just happen to think your argument is shit.)

You are conflating acceptance of an observation with acceptance of an explanation. I have no problem accepting an observation that some events have no apparent causes. I have a problem accepting the explanation of that observation is the notion that randomness is an intrinsic property of matter on fundamental levels.

And just to nit pick. I am a component of the universe so yes the universe does care about these things.....at least an infinitesimally small bit.

(December 1, 2014 at 6:36 pm)Chuck Wrote: But in the christian subreality, the universe is ordered by an omnipotent being to be exactly how uneducated bronze age goat fucking bedouins and their modern day groupies would imagine it to be.

I can tell you no intelligent being lies either at the origin of or at point in that subreality.

The "christian subreality" wouldn't exist without the aid of intelligence. That intelligence comes from the Christians themselves.
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If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Lucanus - November 30, 2014 at 1:06 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Nope - November 30, 2014 at 1:25 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - November 30, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - November 30, 2014 at 2:05 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - December 2, 2014 at 7:34 am
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - December 2, 2014 at 11:04 am
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Heywood - December 1, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by C4RM5 - November 30, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - November 30, 2014 at 2:22 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Chas - December 1, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 2:02 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - November 30, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 3:46 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 3:50 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 4:25 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 5:00 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 5:41 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 6:07 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Smaug - November 30, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - December 2, 2014 at 1:08 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - December 3, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - December 5, 2014 at 12:32 am
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by Cato - December 5, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - December 5, 2014 at 10:02 pm
RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life... - by IATIA - December 5, 2014 at 10:21 pm

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