(December 3, 2014 at 1:56 pm)robvalue Wrote: Just sounds like special pleading for the reality where God lives, where the rules of the argument no longer apply for some reason.
Who said God, I didn't say God? Who said the creator was God? As I said much earlier, even if we granted you all of your argument all it gets you is some being in another reality who made a universe. I don't know what point you are trying to make, or is that it?
I call it the "not betting on the horse you think you're betting on" fallacy.
For it to be a special pleading a sub-reality would have to be equivalent to the actual reality. A sub-reality is not equivalent to the actual reality because a sub reality is dependent upon another reality. Actual reality is not dependent on anything. Actual reality by definition is all there is. The two things, actual reality and sub reality are very different from each other....so there is no special pleading here.
My point is this: Consider the following two conjectures:
A) A being in a reality external to our own made our universe(or reality).
B) No being exists which made our universe(or reality).
Conjecture A can be substantiated with inductive reasoning. Conjecture B has no substantiation whatsoever.
