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Deism: I don't get it
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Deism: I don't get it
I don't wish to attack deism, as I see deists as more on my side than theists, in general.

But I just don't get what the point of it is.

It always seems to start with the same sort of appeals used by theists about "how else could this happen" or it "looks designed". Or that there just must be a higher power. I'm not aware of any good logical argument that leads to any sort of creator.

And this is where I really have the problem; if there is some sort of intelligent creator who made our universe (I don't have a problem accepting it's possible) why call it a God? All you know about it is it can make at least one universe, as we perceive it. So it's another being, somewhere else, presumably. It sounds more like the simulation hypothesis.

I've heard it said that God is the placeholder for whatever made the universe, even so far as to say God could be nothing, if nothing made it. That's just defining God to be the answer to a question, and seems entirely pointless to me.

So does anyone have any insight on why a deist chooses to believe in a God, for better reasons than those I've stated, and why you label a creator a God? Is it just meant to be a synonym? It seems weird given the word God is so well known to mean something all powerful, rather than something more powerful than us.

I've posted several arguments which highlight problems with deism before and not been given an answer. Assuming intelligent design is necessary for all existence produces an infinite regress. If intelligent design isn't always necessary, then how can you know our universe needs it?

I guess I'm wondering why you would choose to identify as a deist rather than an atheist. I would think it must be fairly important to you to add such a bold belief. Is it a desire to hold on to something a bit mystical and magical without committing to anything particular?

Thanks for any replies! I'm not having a go, I just find it confusing.
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Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 10:09 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - December 4, 2014 at 10:30 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 10:52 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Angrboda - December 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by abaris - December 4, 2014 at 11:02 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 11:07 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Jenny A - December 4, 2014 at 11:23 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Tonus - December 4, 2014 at 11:28 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 11:41 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by abaris - December 4, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by FatAndFaithless - December 4, 2014 at 2:52 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - December 4, 2014 at 5:39 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Cato - December 4, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - December 4, 2014 at 4:02 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by abaris - December 4, 2014 at 4:33 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Rob216 - December 4, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by bennyboy - December 4, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 2:41 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Grandizer - February 11, 2015 at 7:50 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 8:03 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 12, 2015 at 3:33 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by MysticKnight - December 4, 2014 at 8:36 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Cinjin - February 9, 2015 at 11:21 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by bennyboy - February 10, 2015 at 1:57 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 3:49 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by emilynghiem - February 10, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 3:25 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Grandizer - February 11, 2015 at 2:40 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 11, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 12, 2015 at 3:07 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by FatAndFaithless - February 11, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by JesusHChrist - February 11, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Dystopia - February 11, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 6:03 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 11, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 8:39 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Cinjin - February 12, 2015 at 1:39 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Spooky - February 12, 2015 at 8:33 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 12, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 12, 2015 at 3:06 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 12, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 3:03 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2015 at 3:45 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 5:04 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 8:06 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2015 at 8:15 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 8:53 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 13, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 14, 2015 at 2:36 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Cinjin - February 16, 2015 at 4:40 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by JesusHChrist - February 16, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by IATIA - February 13, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 8:22 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 14, 2015 at 12:24 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by dyresand - February 14, 2015 at 12:37 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 7:38 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 13, 2015 at 3:45 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 13, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 13, 2015 at 7:32 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 12, 2015 at 8:17 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 11, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Lek - February 11, 2015 at 8:52 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Spooky - February 11, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 9:26 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 11, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Pizza - February 11, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 11, 2015 at 10:38 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by bennyboy - February 11, 2015 at 11:17 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by DeistPaladin - February 11, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 12, 2015 at 2:49 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 12, 2015 at 3:11 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 12, 2015 at 3:27 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 12, 2015 at 3:33 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 13, 2015 at 4:03 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 13, 2015 at 5:06 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 13, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Chad32 - February 13, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by dyresand - February 13, 2015 at 9:55 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Mudhammam - February 13, 2015 at 9:30 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 12:20 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 4:02 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 5:02 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:09 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:17 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:22 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:24 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:26 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:28 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:30 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:36 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:39 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:41 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:45 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 6:51 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 7:00 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 8:09 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 8:12 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 8:26 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 8:39 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by Norman Humann - February 14, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 14, 2015 at 9:06 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by IATIA - February 14, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 15, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Deism: I don't get it - by emilynghiem - February 16, 2015 at 5:55 pm

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