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Becoming an angry atheist
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RE: Becoming an angry atheist
(December 7, 2014 at 8:38 pm)LostLocke Wrote:
(December 7, 2014 at 5:13 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Your response only shows that you have not studied the argument before presenting a strawman of it. The fifth way is not a design argument as modernly understood. Common experience shows that efficient causes are directed towards specific sets of results and not just any random effects.
It's not a straw man.
Causes, efficient or not, don't work 'towards a goal'. Causes just happen.
Exactly. All teleological arguments make the obvious face-palming error of begging the question; that accumulative changes resulting in higher levels of order and subsequent intelligent systems presume intentionality and conscious design is the very point to be demonstrated.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Becoming an angry atheist - by Natachan - December 6, 2014 at 11:52 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Heywood - December 6, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Esquilax - December 6, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Heywood - December 6, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Esquilax - December 6, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Heywood - December 6, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Peebo-Thuhlu - December 7, 2014 at 4:58 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Whateverist - December 6, 2014 at 1:19 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Heywood - December 6, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Whateverist - December 6, 2014 at 1:59 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Thumpalumpacus - December 6, 2014 at 4:10 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by simplemoss - December 8, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by polar bear - December 6, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Elskidor - December 6, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Heywood - December 6, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by FreeTony - December 6, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 6, 2014 at 2:09 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by LastPoet - December 6, 2014 at 3:10 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by KevinM1 - December 6, 2014 at 4:24 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Natachan - December 6, 2014 at 7:48 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2014 at 12:14 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Thumpalumpacus - December 7, 2014 at 1:58 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2014 at 12:01 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Thumpalumpacus - December 7, 2014 at 4:30 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Minimalist - December 6, 2014 at 7:52 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 2:03 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 5:12 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by FreeTony - December 7, 2014 at 6:45 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 6:50 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Natachan - December 7, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by abaris - December 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Minimalist - December 7, 2014 at 2:37 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Mudhammam - December 7, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2014 at 2:58 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Mudhammam - December 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by LostLocke - December 7, 2014 at 3:23 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2014 at 5:13 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by LostLocke - December 7, 2014 at 8:38 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Mudhammam - December 8, 2014 at 2:47 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 8, 2014 at 9:57 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by LostLocke - December 8, 2014 at 10:09 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Faith No More - December 8, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Whateverist - December 8, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Chas - December 17, 2014 at 10:34 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2014 at 3:12 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 1:27 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Mudhammam - December 7, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 7, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Faith No More - December 7, 2014 at 3:14 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by abaris - December 7, 2014 at 3:18 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by LivingNumbers - December 7, 2014 at 5:28 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Rarthyr500 - December 7, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by LivingNumbers - December 7, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Rarthyr500 - December 7, 2014 at 6:01 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by LivingNumbers - December 7, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Kitan Etos - December 7, 2014 at 9:20 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 8, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Faith No More - December 8, 2014 at 1:04 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Mudhammam - December 8, 2014 at 6:36 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Thumpalumpacus - December 8, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Thumpalumpacus - December 8, 2014 at 4:56 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 8, 2014 at 6:24 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Thumpalumpacus - December 9, 2014 at 4:49 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 9, 2014 at 9:13 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Thumpalumpacus - December 9, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 16, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Thumpalumpacus - December 17, 2014 at 11:31 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by dyresand - December 17, 2014 at 12:56 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 17, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 8, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by TreeSapNest - December 8, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Faith No More - December 8, 2014 at 3:04 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by KevinM1 - December 8, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 8, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by LostLocke - December 8, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by TreeSapNest - December 8, 2014 at 2:26 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 9, 2014 at 4:05 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 9, 2014 at 5:27 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Thumpalumpacus - December 9, 2014 at 6:00 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 9, 2014 at 6:11 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 9, 2014 at 9:17 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 9, 2014 at 9:19 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by robvalue - December 9, 2014 at 9:26 am
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Tonus - December 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by dyresand - December 9, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by The Valkyrie - December 9, 2014 at 4:26 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Natachan - December 10, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by dyresand - December 10, 2014 at 2:35 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Faith No More - December 10, 2014 at 2:44 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by The Valkyrie - December 10, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Elskidor - December 10, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Spooky - December 13, 2014 at 6:38 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Lemonvariable72 - December 13, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Neo-Scholastic - December 17, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: Becoming an angry atheist - by Thumpalumpacus - December 17, 2014 at 1:49 pm

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