RE: Can atheists convert theists?
July 20, 2010 at 12:11 pm
(This post was last modified: July 20, 2010 at 12:14 pm by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
(July 20, 2010 at 7:38 am)Godhead Wrote: In answer to your questions, I'm not that keen on the word "conclusion' as it implies finality, and excludes the possibility of changing one's mind, but in terms of my personal evidence and my reasoning, it's because firstly, I feel an awareness that everything is conscious and everything is one thing, and that there's a god and all things are a manifestation of god, and I feel that awareness in the same way that we all feel an awareness that we are in a physical world (ie it's obvious to us, it's in our face). That feeling, to me, is backed up by my reasoning, which is that for something to exist, it must be self aware, and that it must be part of a whole as well as autonomous, and that it must have a manifest and unmanifest aspect. Are you going to try and prove that the universe is godless? If so, why just you?
The term 'conclusion' does not imply finality. The supposition that you 'concluded' with god doesn't imply that you can't change your mind, it simply implies that it's the result of a problem - not unlike the "4" of "2 + 2".
Very well, we seem to be getting somewhere in determining where you're coming from, but I still expect answers from my previous questions -
What role does god play in our physical world?
My newest question will be that, given your feeling of the existance of a concious and thinking entity that permiates everything, how did you come to the understanding that these feelings are revealing an interconnected, thinking, concious entity? How do you understand this to be god and not anything else?
To answer your question, attempting to disprove god's existence is impossible when you define him as leaving no traces of his existance. My only statement in this regard is that if god has no trace of himself in the universe, then what's the point of attributing the universe to or of god when everything can have a causation independant of his/her/its influence that's explainable with the tools we have and the understanding we've come to know of our universe?
In other words, if everything can be explained and proven with empiracle evidence without god in the equation, then there is no real point in adding him to the solution arbitrarily.
