RE: Agnostic: a pointless term?
December 9, 2014 at 9:22 pm
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2014 at 9:25 pm by Whateverist.)
(December 9, 2014 at 8:18 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I think there are many forces, and possibly even entities, in the universe so grand relative to humans that we'd be willing to call them gods.
So, based on your private experience, you are disposed to allow for a god like entity. Easy to see why you are unwilling to describe yourself as even a weak atheist. I on the other hand, having had no such encounters, am quite content to cop to soft atheism .. even though I feel that my agnosticism says more about me than my atheism.
(December 9, 2014 at 8:18 pm)bennyboy Wrote: There are experiences so powerful that the choice of whether to call them "religious" is more semantics than anything else-- certainly, some of us here have had experiences that others would call religious.
Absolutely. But such experiences don't immediately point to anyone in charge or a creator so far as I can tell. Since everything I experience has to register through my being, these experiences may very well be as much or more about ourselves than it is the cosmos. In fact, that is my bias given my experience.
(December 9, 2014 at 8:18 pm)bennyboy Wrote: But, to me, that inability to resolve a question into a single answer is a good reason to take the position that I simply do not know the answer.
Are you equally agnostic toward all unverifiable beliefs? Dragons, faeries, shape shifters and all the rest require you not admit to a bias? I'm sure I'm every bit as agnostic as you, but I'm quite happy to concede which way my bias tends. I find none of this silly stuff at all plausible, gods included. It isn't a position I'm committed to; it is simply my position pending a coherent reason to think otherwise.
Earlier you mentioned that your toe and your toaster have no belief in gods yet we don't call them atheists. We don't call them agnostics either. Basically, so far as we know, only humans are capable of taking a position on a hypothetical proposition posed in symbolic language.