The End of the World

[Mister Agenda]

You are describing radical Muslims, those who promote your death.

Do I have to stop using analogies entirely with you? If you can't 'get' an analogy, why should I trust you to 'get' a parable?

You sir have made a very correct statement, those who believe they deserve something without committing to it will never change.

So pretty much all the people who go out of their way to tell me how certain they are that they're getting into heaven will continue to be just as smug and self-righteous as they are now? That's not exactly as selling-point.

That's exactly why they would never ask for forgiveness, they see themselves as self righteous. You are right, no big shock.

Have you ever looked up the term 'self-righteous'? It's a pair of shoes your camp is famous for wearing.

You have a right to your own opinion.

No kidding.

A ten minutes difference, and the last five do not get another chance, they had all that they needed here, God being omniscient knows this.

You're not omniscient, how do YOU know God doesn't forgive the Hindu woman?

It has noting to do with Dahmer, me or you it's about the love of forgiveness God gives to those who want forgiveness from sin against God. The credibility goes to God because He does what He promises no matter how bad a person has been.

And you are the prophet who knows exactly what God means, and all other intepretations are wrong. But you consder me to be self-righteous. You REALLY ought to look that up.

There is no contest, it's about love and the one's who want to make it a contest have little understanding.

If it's not a contest, don't parade your side's succssful conversions as though they're somehow significant. If it's not significant for the Muslims, it's not significant for the Christians, either.

I can agree Satan is grabbing up many through the muslim and mormon religions.

In your mythology, that's because God allows it. You can't blame a vicious dog on a leash for biting people when the guy walking it is letting it run around all over the place. I wonder if this is another of God's wagers with Satan.

Good, now you need to believe it.

Indoctrination from a young age is the usual way people get someone to believe that malarky, if that doesn't take, there's not much you can do without brainwashing.

Guess you'll have to wait and see.

After I'm dead, right? I figure if there is a God, we're both in for a surprise, because there's no way he can be as dumb and petty as you make him out to be.

According to me and what I absolutely know.

Thanks for the contribution to the Hall of Shame.

Wishing for a power you can't have nor handle is not even a reasonable desire.

So? It costs me nothing to wish I could spare you from a horrible fate.

My post drip with venom, you must be blind in more ways than one,

How many times in our conversation have you said or implied that I'm a liar, GC? How many times have you tried to project a negative emotional state on to me rather than give a straight reply to a post? Personally, I've lost count.

I care where you spend eternity and it seems you do not, so how is it that venom can come from someone who cares.

You say you care but you act like an ass. Actions speak louder than words, GC. Anyone can say they care. Actually showing it by treating the person with respect and dignity isn't so easy if you're an ass at heart, but braying that you care comes easy and cheap.

I guess that one who hates God and those who love God see caring as venom.

Keep telling yourself that, hypocrite. Again, to the lurkers, most Christians aren't like this guy.

Like I said, I care about where you spend eternity, if those others are tip toeing around you, then admirable isn't part of their life.

They do a lot more to get me to consider Christianity seriously than you do. If I ever start thinking it's the way to go because I'm hanging around Christians trying to be humble and loving and charitable and I start thnking that this taking Jesus into your heart stuff might actually mean something, I've got you to remind me that it's not really their Christianity that makes them that way, or there wouldn't be Christians like you.

Yes I sometimes am hard and when I am it gets your attention.

Not in a good way, GC. You remind me that Christianity is powerless to make someone a better person than they already are, although it has great power to make people think they're better.

If they are not telling you that the only way to salvation ( which includes heaven) is through Christ, then they are giving you a false testimony.

In your opinion. Which your body of work has made me consider worthless.

No that's what you want to believe, I've always told you about a loving God who wants you to spend eternity with Him, if you'll only accept.

You keep saying that he's loving but you keep describing a moral midget.

Honestly I have no idea what you're saying here, not sure I want to either.

At least your comprehension problems are starting to become as evident to you as they are to everyone who reads your posts.

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I'll be there, will you. Want you to know something here, God doesn't care about your opinion of me.

Apparently you don't care about his opinion of you either, else you wouldn't be so smugly confident. And seriously, look up 'self-righteous'.

You should read scripture and stop asking such small questions. Christ died for you and you're call Him negative. Pleaseeee, get real.

He introduced the concept of hell. The Jews didn't have anything close to eternal agony. If you don't think that a pretty negative innovation, pleaseeee, get real.

Not unless you accept what He did and do it in this life.

In your opinion, and you know what I think that's worth.

You do not know many people do you.

I dare you to make a more stupid remark.

That's what Christians get when they try and play politics,

That, we can agree on. Getting involved in politics has done more damage to how Christianity is viewed in this country than a horde of rabid anti-theists could have.

I believe Christians need to live a Christian life and let politics take care of it's self.

That's what the Pentecostal church I was raised in taught, though it has gotten caught up in political partisanship as well. The government is 'of the world' and we have to give Caesar what is Caesar's, but trying to mix religion and politics was not considered a good idea back then,

I'm not saying Christians shouldn't run for office, they need to bring their faith with them and some do.

Everyone brings their experiences and beliefs with them. As long as they don't try to use the force of government to impose their religous views on other people, I don't care how deeply religious an elected official is.

No Christian see it that way, we're realist and know there will be unbelievers.

In the long run I think they did themselves more damage than good with these attempts to insinuate their religion into petty government matters.

I'm not whining, the most whining I hear, is the atheist here.

That's your problem you see God as a fairy tale, the truth will be revealed as you want it to be one day, but it will be to late for many.

Maybe if you didn't take metaphors so literally, you wouldn't make God sound so much like a fairy tale. There are Chrisitians with a much more believable take on God than you.

Thank you.

You're welcome. Every contributor is as good as their last post with me. I try not carry baggage from previous converstations...not that I'm perfect in that regard.

You should read more of what I post.

You should make posts that make me want to read more.

It's not my Christianity, but I'm consistent in what I say. I'm not wishy washy and tell the truth from scriptures, no one here as ever overturned any explanation I've given for verses,

It's impossible to persuade someone who thinks they can't possibly be wrong, so it means nothing that you don't think any of your explanations have been overturned. You're so blinkdered that you'd be the last person to know if they were.

They've made attempts but have never brought any proof. I know Christians are suppose to bring the truth but, you know what, you all say that because you have no counter proof, it's your way of avoiding intelligent Biblical discussions.

Like I said, since you think you can't be wrong, you're going to think nothing we say can possibly refute anything you have to say when it comes to the Bible. You can't even entertain the possibilty that you might be wrong and you wouldn't know a cogent refutation if it bit your nose off.

It's why you use foul language, a distraction from the relevant.

Not that I've been using foul language myself, you're just butt-hurt over things other people have said, but what is all the talk of cliches and my moods but a distraction from the relevant? It's not okay just because you avoid 'bad' words.

Good, I couldn't agree more.

Looks like we have common ground when it comes to some things, I'll try to keep that in mind, but memory isn't my strongest suit. Feel free to remind me of it if you think my opinion of you has sunk to an unreasonable low.

To many Christians have become soft and believe they are injured by words and other petty things. I assume my rights as a citizen of this country and speak my mind. I do try doing it without being barbaric.

Careful, I might start to like and/or respect you.

How so, please show me so I'll know what you are speaking of?

First, I know I can be harsh, my saving grace in that regard pretty much starts and ends with not holding on to it. I feel that often your replies are evasive, which is frustrating and doesn't advance the discussion. You have repeatedly questioned my honesty and integrity: I admit, I've occasionally done the same with you, but I tend to reflect the attitude I feel I'm getting...that doesn't make it okay, but it's the way I am, and it's not like I claim to have Jesus dwelling in my heart. I do tend to return respect and courtesy if I feel I'm getting it. I'm easily mollified. The attitude you pick up off of my posts is a good indication of how I feel about the attitude in yours.

First of all I asked you a question, if you do not want to respond then just say so or ignore the question.

I was trying to convey that it was a stupid question since I never claimed you threatened anyone. There is such a thing as a stupid question. I consider a counter-question that insinuates I've made claims about you that I haven't to be an evasion at best. I don't think the standard of decency should be 'not having personally threatened someone'.

Secondly I give you what scripture says, it's not my fault you do not like what it says, I know it can be convicting and bothersome, but don't blame me for what scripture does.

It doesn't sound convicting or bothersome, it sounds ridiculous because you consistently choose the most literal and silly or harsh interpretation possible. But you can't consider that as a possibility because you don't think it's possible for you to be wrong in Biblical matters, just like millions of other fundamentalists who disagree with you on various points but are equally sure THEY can't be wrong or have any bias on Biblical matters either.

So you're saying that I'm not to act like the atheist here, now that's a new thing, not sure I know what to make of it.

You were under the impression that as a Christian you were supposed to act like the average AF atheist? Really?

If you want to see Christ in my life come be my neighbor and observe, I'll gladly welcome you here.

If I can't see Christ in your posts, I strongly doubt I'll see him in your life.

You didn't know me before I was saved, you wouldn't have liked me, but I'm sure there are some here who would have.

That's true. But I've seen a lot of people 'get saved' only to become a different kind of obnoxious from what they were before. I'm sure the experience profoundly changes some people's lives, though, and I'll take your word that you are one of those.

I agree from a human standpoint, but eternal life will not be judged from a human standpoint, for those who do not accept Christ it will be a judgement against God's goodness and the laws of Moses.

Yes, you say that often, but frankly, I don't think you know what you're talking about. I'm taking it that really observant Jews can get into heaven, which is a little bit better than those who think only Jews who become Christians can rate salvation.

It's evidence and valid, valid enough I will never give up what I know to be the truth, but for some reason if I give spiritual evidence only Christians seem to understand.

Ah. Spiritual evidence. The same kind of evidence all the other religions have.

I'll try to get to the last part of your post later.

No hurry, I know it's a lot, that's why I've tried to break up my reply into more digestible chunks. And it's okay to not reply to something you don't think merits a substantive response.